[ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check - Purpure Dragon

[Kevinkeary]

Thank you, Daniel. I appreciate the instruction.


Kevin


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc. <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 11:54 am
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check - Purpure Dragon


On Wed, 29 Jun 2011, Kevinkeary <kevinkeary at aol.com> wrote: 
> But as to the second, I had understood that one primary in a group 
> of three is 'half' the primary group. 
 
Not so. 
 
I explained in a note just a few minutes ago why it doesn't apply to 
this case of adding or removing charges in a primary charge group. 
 
But for other, more general, cases, for the meaning of "half", check 
the CoA Glossary of Terms, <http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html> 
 
  Half. 
 
  Many of the Rules for Submission concerning armorial difference 
  discuss change to half a charge group. For the purposes of 
  counting armorial difference, half is usually defined in the 
  mathematical sense. However, in certain circumstances, half may be 
  defined differently, as indicated by precedent. Some of these 
  circumstances are: 
 
  * The bottommost of three charges arranged two and one, either 
  alone on the field or surrounding a central ordinary such as a 
  fess or chevron, is defined as half of that charge 
  group. However, no more than one difference may be obtained by 
  making changes to that bottommost charge. 
 
  [That's the Bottommost of Three precedent. Note the 
  restrictions: alone on the field or surrounding a central 
  ordinary, three charges arranged two and one (NOTE: it has been 
  explicitly ruled that it does NOT apply to arrangement one and 
  two), bottommost only, no more than one CD regardless of how 
  many changes. -- DdL] 
 
  * The two portions of a field divided per chevron or per chevron 
  inverted are each considered half for determining difference of 
  the field. 
 
Hmmm, the Obscure Precedent of Halfness isn't there. 
http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1991/11/cvr.html : Group Theory: 
 
  ... we are adopting Lady Dolphin's (now Lady Crescent) 
  suggestion of allowing two changes to the minority of a group 
  (i.e., the "lesser" half of a group of charges lying on either 
  side of a line of field division or an ordinary) being 
  sufficient for a Clear Difference. For example, "Per bend 
  sinister sable and Or, a decrescent moon Or and three fir trees 
  proper" would be allowed two CDs from "Per bend sinister azure 
  and argent, a bear's head argent and three fir trees vert" with 
  one CD for the field and another for the two changes to the 
  charge in dexter chief. 
 
Again note the tight restrictions. This one doesn't get used much. 
 
Other than those cases, one out of three ain't nothin'. 
 
Except in the upcoming Newer Rules, which will loosen things up quite 
a bit if enacted like the current draft. 
 
Danel de Lincoln 
-- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com 
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