[ANSTHRLD] Conflict Check: Gules, a seal sejant argent charged with a fleur-de-lys sable

[John Atkinson]

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On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:49 PM, John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know, but that's the term used by more or less every
> registration of a seal.  If you have a better idea, let's hear it.
>
> As for seal vs. sea lion. . . I'm not a zoologist.  If what you are
> saying is the depiction of seals we are most familiar with, with the
> upper body more or less erect and the lower body trailing behind, is
> something seals don't do, but (New World) sea lions do do, then in
> what position would a seal most commonly be used in period armory?
> Naiant?
>
> Or if they simply weren't used in period heraldry, then in the first
> place I'll be suprised, in the second place, I'll point my submitter
> to that fact.
>
> Ioannes
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Lisa Theriot
> <lisatheriot at ravenboymusic.com> wrote:
>> How do you "sit" a seal?  A (natural) sea lion, I can see, but a seal?
>> I see a bunch of them in the A&O, though nothing newer than 2000, so I'm
>> wondering if sejant is really the right word?  Wouldn't we prefer fish
>> position terms for a seal?  It's really lacking the required parts to
>> sit!
>>
>> I guess I need to mention on OSCAR that it's time we stop using the term
>> "seal" for sea lions (we really should stop registering natural sea
>> lions as they were unknown to period Europeans, but there you are).
>> Anyone who has worked with both knows they are incredibly dissimilar.
>> If we can manage to not confuse ourselves when talking about heraldic
>> dolphins and natural dolphins, I think we can manage the same regarding
>> sea-lions.
>>
>> (Go on, be brave, submit it as a natural sea lion, I dare ya!)
>>
>>
>> Adelaide
>>
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