[ANSTHRLD] Conflict question - Septfoil?

[eirik at hot.rr.com]

I can clear up the mess a little. From Francios's first tenure:

"[A sexfoil Or seeded sable] The College did not feel that this flower, originally blazoned as an amaryllis flower, was clearly identifiable as an amaryllis flower. The flower in this emblazon is affronty and has six equally-sized and equally-spaced petals that come to slight points at the end. Both the commentary from the College and the documentation provided with the submission indicated that an amaryllis flower has petals that are significantly longer, thinner, and more sharply pointed than the petals of the flower in this emblazon. The documentation also indicated that the amaryllis flower has a trumpet shape that was visually apparent even when the flower was affronty, while this flower appears to be flat. We have reblazoned the flower in this emblazon as a sexfoil, as it is well within the range of depictions which we expect for that stylized heraldic charge.

This submission therefore conflicts with the Caidan badge for the Legion of Courtesy, (Fieldless) A rose Or barbed and seeded vert. There is one CD for fieldlessness. There is no difference for the miniscule tincture changes due to barbing and seeding, which is much less than half the charge.

There is no difference given between a rose and a cinquefoil by long-standing precedent, as noted in the LoAR of August 2001, which referred to the LoARs of September 2000 and November 1990. The difference between cinquefoils and sexfoils is heraldically negligible. The SCA does not give difference between things numbered five and six as stated in RfS X.4.f, and by extension, we do not give difference between charges with attributes that are enumerated five and six, such as mullets of five and six points. Moreover, cinquefoils are not infrequently drawn as sexfoils in period. A single piece of armory using multiple cinquefoils may be drawn with the occasional sexfoil in place of an (apparently random) cinquefoil.

Conflict is not transitive: if A conflicts with B and B conflicts with C, it is not required that A must conflict with C. However, in this case, given the very close depictions and occasional interchangeability of both roses and cinquefoils in period, and of cinquefoils and sexfoils in period, we do believe that sexfoils should not be given difference from roses under RfS X.4.e. [Amaryllis Coleman, 01/2004, R-Æthelmearc] "