[ANSTHRLD] Society heraldic displays

Tim McDaniel tmcd at panix.com
Sun Jul 22 14:10:36 PDT 2012

On Sun, 22 Jul 2012, HerrDetlef <herrdetlef at gmail.com> wrote:
> The arms of the kingdom are reserved for the King

As a side note to the question that was asked:

The Queen is not chopped liver.  I say that the kingdom arms are
reserved for the king and queen.

It's true that the December 2003 LoAR Cover Letter does not say that
in re the SCA, but the spirit is there with "We have no evidence of a
real-world consort having arms that differed from her husband's", and
the ruling that future consorts cannot have their own arms and that
they may use the undifferenced arms.



**** From Laurel: Devices for Consorts and Royal Heirs ****

This month we were called upon to reflect on the SCA's policy of
registering devices for a consort (either for a kingdom or a
princpality), or for royal heirs apparent (also for a kingdom or
principality). We have no evidence of a real-world consort having arms
that differed from her husband's (except for marshalling). We likewise
have no evidence of an heir apparent having arms that were not a
differenced version of the arms of their parent, except for
marshalling, and for fiefs that the heir apparent might have had (such
as the Dauphin{e'}, ruled by the dauphin, the heir to the French

The practice of registering devices for the consort and heirs is
falling out of favor in the SCA in general. Some of the newer kingdoms
have not registered devices for their consorts and their heirs. We
applaud the trend to a more period practice with regards to arms, or
lack of separate armory for the consort and heirs.

Because the SCA device is parallel to real-world practices for arms,
the SCA shall no longer register devices for consorts or for heirs to
a kingdom or principality after July 2004.

Under this decision, consorts in kingdoms or principalities without
consort's arms may use the undifferenced kingdom arms, and kingdoms
may elect to allow both heirs to the throne to display the kingdom
arms differenced by a label or other standard mark of cadency. This
matches some period armorial display for royal arms.

Kingdoms and principalites that currently have arms registered for the
consort or heirs may submit changes to the registered armory via the
application of the grandfather clause. We shall require a poll of the
populace showing support for changes to the armory. Note that this
poll has not previously been explicitly required for the armory of the
heirs apparent, but it seems appropriate to require such a poll, which
is already required for consorts.

Kingdoms and principalities that currently have arms registered for
the consort or heirs are encouraged to consider following period
practice and to discontinue the use of the armory.


There are arms registered to "Ansteorra, Queen of", but the kingdom
arms are registered to "Ansteorra, Kingdom of".

All of that is irrelevant to the question actually asked.
I agree that the populace badge is most appropriate for a group.


> The arms of the Society (Or, a laurel wreath vert) are closely
> associated with the Order of the Laurel (in fact, if I'm not
> mistaken, the Order of the Laurel HAS no badge because that order's
> "badge" is already registered as the arms of the Society).

There is no *badge* eo nomine registered for the Chivalry or the
Pelicans either.  They have insignia (they call it "regalia", but I
dislike using a term that's based on "rex", 'king', for non-kingly
things), listed in the Armorial under Society for Creative
Anachronism, including

Society for Creative Anachronism|199906L|g|(Tinctureless) A laurel
wreath.|(For the Order of the Laurel)

> I don't know if a local group can appropriately fly a banner
> depicting the Society's arms, and I would guess (perhaps
> wrongly--who would know definitively?) that local groups may not.

I heard hearsay long ago that any SCA group or function may display
the SCA's arms, but I have no source for that.

I suggest that, if "the group" in some sense is at an event, that they
display their own arms and/or the kingdom populace badge.  If they
already have a banner of the SCA's arms, that might be good at a demo,
but I'm uncertain about whether I'd advise them to make one.

Danielis de Lindocollino
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com

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