[ANSTHRLD] Conflict check: Per pale rayonny Or and gules, a lion and a stag combattant counterchanged and a chief ermine

Bob Wade logiosophia at yahoo.com
Sun Jun 10 12:25:30 PDT 2012


Closest visually found to "Per pale rayonny Or and gules, a lion and a stag combattant counterchanged and achief ermine."  was "Per pale dovetailed Or and gules, a lion and a horse combattant counterchanged" (Tangwen ferch Sylwein , Device, Sep 2001).  I see a DC for addition of the chief, change to half the primary charge group, and line of divisionon the field.
 
Tostig
 
--- On Sun, 6/10/12, Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com> wrote:


From: Tim McDaniel <tmcd at panix.com>
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict check: Per pale rayonny Or and gules, a lion and a stag combattant counterchanged and a chief ermine
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Sunday, June 10, 2012, 12:03 PM


On Sun, 10 Jun 2012, Darnell Daniels <dmage121 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict check: Per pale rayonne Or and Gules a
>      lion and a stag combatant counter-changed and a chief ermine
> 
> This is a rework taking away the whole pile issue.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3698216026654&set=a.1471610042896.59331.1612997228&type=3

It's great that you put the blazon in the subject line, because it's
hard to figure out what's what in the inbox if they're all
    Subject: Armory
    Subject: Please check
and such.

Repeating the blazon in the body is also helpful.  For example, my
mail program doesn't show me the subject line while I'm composing a
reply.

Just a few blazon nitpicks.

- We put a comma after the field specification (meaning: after the
  field and any strewn charges).
- Most (all?) of the "ee"-sound endings in SCA blazon are spelled with
  "-y": semy, contourny ("con tor nee has no 'e'"), fourchy, formy,
  and such.
- We only capitalize
  = The first word of the blazon proper
  = "(Fieldless)" and "(Tinctureless)", which aren't technically part
    of the blazon proper but just a reminder that no, we didn't merely
    forget the field
  = the tincture "Or" but none other
  = proper names, like "a cross of Jerusalem" or "a Bowen knot"
- We don't hyphenate "counterchanged".
- "Combattant" has three T's total.  I had to look this up.

These are all nitpicking because kingdom would polish them up anyway.
It's not like you've been inaccurate.

So:

Per pale rayonny Or and gules, a lion and a stag combattant
counterchanged and a chief ermine.

Artistic notes:

It would be best to draw a lot fewer ermine spots.  If nothing else,
it's a lot less effort coloring, painting, embroidering, whatever.
You could draw *five* LARGE ones and it would very likely still be
considered ermine.  Here are some examples:

http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=4395
Five big 'uns.  You can't see the commentary, but it's commenters
saying "isn't that just counterermine?", "the submitter wanted to
specify five in particular", and "OK, we can keep that blazon, but it
still has to be conflict-checked against counterermine".

http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=15854
has them in two rows, five and six.  No commentary on the ermining and
it was registered without comment as ermine.

http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=15701
has two rows, three and three-and-a-half.  It looks a little sparse to
me, but there was no comment on it.

http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=16316
Five, plus two heavily cut-off rows of six.  One commenter saying
"aren't those spots weird for having three dots *below* them?"
True, and that depiction isn't in the Pic Dic, so please don't, but
registered without comment as "ermine".

http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=2186
Five and four.

http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=3521
Five and five.

If you want more examples, you can do what I did: go to
http://oscar.sca.org/ , enter "ermine" in the search box, and search
the result set for "chief".

If you similarly made the rayonny big bold and butch, you could draw a
lot fewer.  Exemplia gratia:
http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=2058
http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=10697

This one had commenters going "ack ptui too small":
http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=12811
It was returned for that.  The resub fixed it:
http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=15748
(commenters thought the chief enarched came too far down)

AS for the beasties: before submitting, please please remove the
stag's huge black pointed-kinda shading that looks kinda like
pizzling.

Oh, and as for the conflict check you actually wanted: oops, look at
the time!  I have to make some things for the dance revel this
evening l8r kthxbye

Danett Lincoln
-- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com
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