[ANSTHRLD] Second Draft of Achievements Proposal Online

[Adalia]

I have to disagree slightly.  When I brought up achievements here, I was
given the express reason of not being able to register the "cool stuff"
and, in the words of the five people who actually seemed interested "why
bother until I can have the cool stuff".

On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Scott Fridenberg <fitzmorgan at gmail.com>wrote:

> Based on a brief discussion of the issue a few days ago at a meeting, I
> believe that the purpose of the proposed changes is to encourage more
> heraldic display and more achievement registration.  Correct me if I am
> wrong about that.
>
>  I held the office responsible for registering achievements for about 2
> years a while back, and in that time I think I had  4 submissions, and if I
> recall correctly, 2 of those were adding an element to an existing
> achievement.  In the 27 years I have been active in Ansteorra I really
> can't recall seeing many individuals displaying a full achievement.  A few
> Branches but few individuals.
>
> The implication from the discussion was that these proposed changes were
> intended to encourage more people to register achievements by allowing more
> people to be eligible to display the "cool" stuff, the supporters and the
> motto.  The impression I got from the discussion though was that most of
> the people had no idea they were entitled to register an achievement.  In
> other words, the reason for not registering wasn't that they did not want
> to because they could not have a motto or supporters, the reason was that
> they did not know that they could have an achievement.  I have never heard
> anyone say that they were not registering because they could not have a
> motto on it or supporters.
>
> If the goal is to encourage more people to register and display
> achievements, simply educating the populace might well accomplish this
> without any need to change the rules.  There may be other reasons for
> changing the rules other than encouraging more registrations, if so I
>  missed that part of the discussion.
>
> I am not a big fan of changing things just to be changing things.  I prefer
> to have a clearly stated goal, followed by a discussion about the best way
> to achieve that goal.  If the goal is to encourage more registrations and
> more display, then I think jumping straight to redesigning the system is
> a little premature.  If the position is that there is something wrong with
> the current system and these changes are intended to fix what is wrong,
> then please clearly state what is wrong, and we can discuss the best way to
> fix it.
>
> If the only reason to think the system as it stands is broken is that very
> few people are using it, then I think education will be more effective in
> changing that than a rule change.
>
> I am not saying that I am against changing the rules, just that I haven't
> yet heard a clearly reasoned argument for why we should change them.  It is
> entirely possible that that argument has been made and I just missed it. If
> so can someone please state it again?
>
> Robert Fitzmorgan
>
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