[ANSTHRLD] for compound household names and bynames

Sat Mar 31 00:46:52 PDT 2012

> How exactly do I need to document a compound byname? Do I need to provide
> documentation that the whole name was used in period? Or do I need to
> provide documentation that the individual elements were used in period? For
> example, how would I document a name like von Hirschbach? Or can I, even?
> 
> Many thanks!
> 
> Detlef von Marburg

The specific spelling <Hirschbach> does occur, but very late in our period. I found one in 1547. There are several spellings of this name with <von>: <von Hirspach>, <von Hyrspach>, <von Hirßpach>, <von Hirßbach>. Many of the examples I found were in Latin with <de> (<de Hirzbach>, etc.) and these probably represent a vernacular <von>.

Here is how I dig these out.

Step One: Access Google Books (http://books.google.com/bkshp)

Step Two: Type in the name you are looking for, plus the word "filius" and hit ENTER. Documents containing Latin name data will often include the word <filius> "son", and this very often will get you medieval legal documents that will be helpful. Other words that are useful in place of <filius> are "cartulary", "diploma", "rolls" (and their corresponding versions in your target language).

Step Three:On the left, click "Free Google eBooks".

https://www.google.com/search?
q=von-Hirschbach+filius&tbm=bks&tbs=bkv:r

Step Four: Open likely-looking links. Don't worry if they're in a language you don't understand, almost always the names and dates will be obvious.

Step Five: In the open link, edit the search box to get rid of "filius" and hit GO. In this case, I used just "Hirschbach". This should get you down to enough relevant hits that you can decide whether this book will be useful.

Step Six: Look for variant spellings as you search and note them, then do new searches using the new spellings you have. If you have some idea of what variant spellings might be, try them! 

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821 <Isangrim de Hiruzpah>, <in loco dicitur Hiruzpahc> (Bitterauf, p. 383)

828 <in loco... qui a vulgo dicitur Hiruzpach> (Bitterauf, p. 482)

828 <Fritilo ad Hiruzpach> (von Koch-Sternfeld, p. 225)

821 <Isangrim de Hiruzpach> (von Koch-Sternfeld, p. 225)

1007 <Hyrspach> (Bresslau, p. 659 line 11, p. 789)

c.1119-1140 <Hirzpach> (Dopsch, p. 144 No. 50; p. 151 No. 147)

1133 <Arnis de Hirzbach>, <Oudalricus de hirzbach> (p. 27)

c.1140 <Dietmar de Hirzbach>, <Dietmar de Hegibac>, c.1180 <Dietmarus de Hirzbach> (Monumenta Boica V.5, pp. 303, 305, p. 138)

1152 <Hirzpach> (Kausler, p. 66)

c.1160, c. 1180 <Bertoldus de Hirzbach> (Monumenta Boica V.5, pp. 119, 138)

c.1160 <Udalricus de Hirzbach> (Monumenta Boica V.5, p. 119)

c.1160 <Christianus de Hirzbach> (Monumenta Boica V.5, p. 331)

c.1170, c.1180 <Gotfridus de Hirzbach>, 1188 <Gotfridus de Irzbach> (Monumenta Boica V.5, pp. 125, 126, 139)

c.1170, c.1180 <Heinricus de Hirzbach> (Monumenta Boica V.5, pp. 126, 138)

c.1170 <Poppo de Hirzbach> (Monumenta Boica V.5, p. 129)

c.1180 <Rudigerus de Hirzbach> (Monumenta Boica V.5, p. 138)

12th c. <Christan de Hirzpach> (Muffan, p. 281)

12th c. <Germunt de Hirzpach> (Muffan, p. 283)

1197 <Popo de Hirzbah> (Muffan, p. 355)

1201 <Perhtoldum de Hirzpach> (Monumentorum Boicorum Collectio Nova V.1, p. 130)

c.1220-1240 <Hirzperch> (Dopsch, p. 104, No. 101)

1222 <Egelbertus de Hirzpach> (Weiland, p. 392)

1239 <h. de hirzbach> (Monumentorum Boicorum Collectio Nova V.6, p. 65)

1258, 1263 <Hirzpach> (von Frast, pp. 298, 445)

1265, 13th c. <Hierzpach> (von Frast, pp. 428, 512, 539)

1274 <Heirzbach> (Bœhmer, p. 164, No. 330)

1280 <Alheidis de Hirzpach> (Monumentorum Boicorum Collectio Nova V.1, p. 461)

1282 <Volricus rector ecclesie In Hirzpach> (Monumentorum Boicorum Collectio Nova V.6, p. 164)

1311 <Hyerzpach> (von Frast, p. 492)

1343 <Hierspach>  (recto), <Hirsbach> (verso) (Monasterium.net, Passau Cathedral Chapter Records, Signature 351)

1357 <Hirspach> (Monumentorum Boicorum Collectio Nova V.6, p. 255)

1377 <Petern von Hirspach> (de Lang, p. 387)

1343 <Otten den Doppler von Hyrspach> (recto) (Monasterium.net, Passau Cathedral Chapter Records, Signature 835)

1400 <Bernhart von Hirßpach> (Heinrich-Petri, p. 95)

1416 <her Jorig der priester im Hyrspach> (Monasterium,net, Aggsbach Carthusian Monastery, Signature 1416 V 30)

1416 <Thüring von Hirßpach> (Heinrich-Petri, p. 137)

1443 <Bartholomäus Topler von Hirspach> (Burger, p. 318)

c.1446 <Hanns von Hirßpach> (Heinrich-Petri, p. 124)

1447 <Andreas der Topler von Hirspach> (Archiv für Österreichische Geschichte, p. 48)

1454 <Hanns Topler zu Hirspach> (recto) (Monasterium.net, Weitra Parish Archives, Signature 1454 06 29, Signature 1484 07 02)

1454 <Hirsspach> (Monumenta Boica V.25, p. 246)

1473 <Hirßpach> (verso) (Monasterium.net, Saint Salvador in the Diocese of Passau, Signature 210)

1500 <Cristoferus Hirspach Erffordensis> (Weissenborn, p. 215, col. 1, l. 36)

1507 <Iacobus Hirßpach de Walpurgk> (Weissenborn, p. 251, col. 2, l. 16)

1509 <Hans Hirßbach> (Becherer, p. 439)

1514 <Iohannes Hirspach Erffurdensis> (Weissenborn, p. 286, col. 1, l. 39)

1523 <Hirßpach> (Abdruck Deren Zwischen Burgermeister, pp. 60, 61)

1527 <Hirßpeckher> (Monasterium.net, Saint Pölten Diocese Archive, Signature 1527 V 26)

1547 <Thomas Hirschbach de Gotha> (Weissenborn, p. 370, col. 1, l. 15)

1573 <Vulfgangys Hirsbach Gothanus> (Friedlaender, p. 229)

1613 <Matthias von Hirßbach> (Ostermann, p. 895)

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Archiv für Österreichische Geschichte. Vol. 1. Vienna: Kaiserlich-Köninglichen Hof- und Staatsdruckerei. 1848. http://books.google.com/books?id=QzE-AAAAYAAJ&q=Hirspach

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