[ANSTHRLD] Counting Tinctures/Complexity (WAS Conflict check please.)
Bob Wade
logiosophia at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 20 20:51:39 PDT 2013
A note on why the complexity count is 8. There are 3 charges. Although the field and charges are composed of just black, green, purple and white, the tincture count is 5 rather than 4. Why? Furs (Such as vairy x and y) are counted as a single/separate tincture under SENA A.3.E.2 and ignores the tinctures of the component parts. The result are tinctures of argent, purpure, sable, vairy and vert.
A reason Magnus and I have concerns about a charge/tincture complexity count of 8 goes back several versions of the Rules for Submission. Raguly lines of division used to affect the complexity count towards armorial simplicity.
Tostig
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On Sun, 10/20/13, Doug Bell <magnus77840 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict check please.
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Sunday, October 20, 2013, 3:56 PM
I did check it and found no
candidates for a conflict. No surprise. Purpure bend
sinisters are quite rare in both SCA and period heraldry.
No advice will be offered on period style either.
The bend sinister purpure raguly edge is on the argent part
of the field so it is identifiable. If it was raguly on both
edges it would get vairy messy.
There are two other issues that would be discussed at
commentary:
-Is the volant bendwise sable bird on a vairy argent and
vert field identifiable?
I don't believe that is the default posture for any bird in
period.
It can be difficult to maintain the identity of an animate
charge against a vairy field.
-Will this get returned for excessive complexity?
This armory pushes the complexity count to the legal limit
and then adds the rare features of a vairy field, a charged
vairy field, a bird in other than its default posture, and a
bend sinister with two different types of edges.
Taken all together this brings a risk of a return.
It also must be checked for style issues under SENA. I
haven't researched a device this complex under the new
rules.
Magnus
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From: Bob Wade <logiosophia at yahoo.com>
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA Inc.Heralds List <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict check please.
To be honest, I don't _want_ to check something with a
complexity count of 8 (5 tinctures and 3 charges), uses rare
tinctures (vairy vert and argent), and has both a complex
line of division and an orientation that have to be
specified. It's probably registerable, but would the
submitter _please_ consider something closer to period
style?
Tostig
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On Sat, 10/19/13, Cisco Cividanes <engtrktwo at gmail.com>
wrote:
Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Conflict check please.
To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 11:13 PM
"Per bend sinister vairy argent and
vert, and argent, a bend sinister
raguly on the lower edge purpure between a bird volant
bendwise sable and a
trefoil vert. "
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