[ANSTHRLD] August 2014 LoAR for Ansteorra

Douglas Bell debell77840 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 13 09:52:06 PDT 2014


I notice the rulings are getting a bit stricter on the polypus, contrast on
3/4 tincture field, and SENA's Unity rule.


Magnus

ANSTEORRA acceptances


*Amanda du Val. * Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as *Amanda Duval*, the submitter requested the byname of her
legal father, *du Val*, if it could be documented. In commentary, Magnus
von Lübeck was able to document the preferred spelling to the 13th and 14th
centuries. Therefore, we are able to register it without relying on the
grandfather clause.
* *Andreius Vil'nia. * Name and device. Vert, a cock rising and on a chief
argent three grenades proper.
* *Astríðr Kolbiarnardóttir. * Name and device. Per saltire purpure and Or,
in pale a padlock and a strawberry Or.

The submitter requested authenticity for 9th-11th century Viking. This
request was not summarized in the Letter of Intent. Luckily for the
submitter, Siren was able to address the authenticity during the Pelican
decision meeting, so we did not need to pend this name. The name is
authentic for 9th-10th century Iceland, so meets the submitter's request.
* *Bella Francesca de Flores. * Name.
* *Finnvarðr Snæbiarnarson. * Name (see RETURNS for device).

The submitter requested authenticity for 9th-11th century Viking. This
request was not summarized in the Letter of Intent. Luckily for the
submitter, Siren was able to address the authenticity during the Pelican
decision meeting, so we did not need to pend this name. The name is
authentic for 9th-10th century Iceland, so meets the submitter's request.
* *Francesca Anastasia Vitelli. * Name.
* *Godfrey de Brokele. * Name and device. Vert, on a bear's paw erased Or a
tree vert, a bordure Or.

Nice 14th century English name!

Please advise the submitter to draw the erasing with fewer and more
pronounced indents.
* *Juan Gabriel Ramirez Mondragon. * Name.
* *Konrad vom Platz. * Device. Gules, on a grenade Or a mullet of five
greater and five lesser points sable, a bordure Or.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a mullet of five
greater and five lesser points.
* *Oliver Cacheluve. * Device. Sable, a bend between a cross patonce and a
sheaf of arrows Or.
* *Paitin Todd. * Name (see PENDS for device).
* *Peregrin Michel. * Name and device. Sable, a falcon striking Or and a
tierce erminois.

Submitted as *Pérégrin Michel*, the name was changed in kingdom with the
submitter's permission to match the documentation they could find.

In internal commentary on the original name, Blue Tyger documented *Peregrin
Michel* as an entirely English name. The submitter requested this name
instead. We have made this change.

There is a step from period practice for a tierce used with another charge
on the field.
* *Simha bint Yusuf. * Name and device. Vert, a wolf dormant argent and a
chief argent estencely azure.

In the Pelican decision meeting, Green Staff noted that this name can be
constructed as a Hebrew or Persian name that has been recorded in Arabic.
* *Sofia Patrekieva. * Name (see RETURNS for device).
* *Ulff der Dunre. * Name and device. Per fess embattled argent and sable,
a wolf passant gules and a clenched gauntlet argent.

This name combines a Norwegian given name and German byname. This is an
acceptable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.
* *Villana Palazolo. * Name and device. Per chevron azure and argent, two
zebras passant contourny and a peacock in its pride proper.

There is a step from period practice for the use of zebras.
* *Yrsa Haraldsdottir. * Name.
* *Ysmiralda Dagon. * Name and device. Vert, a dagger inverted and on a
chief argent three hearts purpure.

Submitted as *Esmerelda Dagon *, kingdom changed the byname to *Ysmiralda
Dagonet* with the submitter's permission to try to make the name wholly
French. However, *Ysmiralda* is an Italian given name, not French.

In commentary, Blue Tyger documented *Dagon* as a German byname. The
submitter requested that we restore the byname to *Dagon*. We have made
this change.

This name combines an Italian given name and a German byname. This is an
acceptable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

ANSTEORRA returns * *Amanda du Val. * Device. Per pale checky sable and Or
and purpure, a butterfly counterchanged.

This device is returned for insufficient contrast. Both the field and the
charge are 75% color.

The October 2000 Cover Letter explained after a review of period armorials:

While there were not enough examples to make a conclusive decision solely
from them, particularly as several examples are cadenced version of more
standard arms, it is notable that most of examples the three-quarters dark
field or charge was combined with metal. There were two examples combining
three-quarters light fields with light ordinaries. These examples were
found in late-period German armory, which has more examples than most other
sources of cases violating the standard rules of contrast; furthermore the
low contrast charge was an ordinary in both cases.

These examples are not sufficient to draw conclusions about period
practice. However, they do not refute the most obvious interpretation of
the rules: that a charge or field that is primarily (that is, at least two
thirds) a metal should be considered equivalent to a metal and a charge or
field that is primarily a color should be considered equivalent to a color.
This means that Randwulf's device is color-on-color and must be returned.

Note that this holds even though each half has arguably acceptable contrast.

Nothing has been presented to invalidate this argument, or offer
counter-examples from period armory. It remains as true now as then: the
field is 75% color, 25% metal -- and the same is true of the charge. Taken
as a whole, therefore, we have a dark charge on a dark field, which gives
us insufficient contrast.
* *Anastasiia Dmitrieva Sokolova. * Device (see PENDS for name). Per
chevron vert and argent, two swords in chevron Or and a falcon rising wings
displayed sable.

This device is returned for violating SENA A3D2c, Unity of Posture and
Orientation, which states "A charge group in which postures for different
charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period
examples of that combination of postures." The charges here are not in a
unified arrangement, as the swords must be blazoned separately from the
falcon in order to adequately describe their positioning.
* *Finnvarðr Snæbiarnarson. * Device. Quarterly argent and vert, in bend
sinister a quiver bendwise sinister filled with arrows and a boar's head
couped argent.

This device is returned for presumption, for having the appearance of
marshalling.

SENA section A.6.F.2.c states *When different sections of the field contain
different types of charges, it creates the appearance of marshalling.*

This is the situation for this submission. The existence of two uncharged
argent quarters does not cancel the fact that the two charged quarters
appear to be independent displays of armory.
* *Myfanwy ferch Eifion. * Badge. (Fieldless) A mushroom gules cap marked
argent.

This badge is returned for conflict with the device of Johanna von
Griffenhurst: *Vert, an amanita muscaria mushroom couped proper*. An
Amanita muscaria has a red cap marked with white, a white underside and a
white foot. The cap represents more than half of the mushroom and thus
there is only one DC for the fieldless design.
* *Nerak la Tisserande. * Badge. Azure semy of lozenges argent, in pale an
annulet and in pile inverted three keys wards to base Or.

This device is returned for violating SENA A3D2c, Unity of Posture and
Orientation, which states "A charge group in which postures for different
charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period
examples of that combination of postures." The charges here are not in a
unified arrangement, as the keys must be blazoned separately from the
annulet in order to adequately describe their position and orientation.
* *Sofia Patrekieva. * Device. Or, a raven rising sable maintaining in its
claws a gem ring argent, on a chief gules a sun Or.

This is returned for non-period style. Blazoned on the LoI as a gem, the
charge attached to the ring is actually a brilliant cut gemstone. Precedent
says:

The device is returned for non-period style. Blazoned on the LoI as a set
cut gemstone, the charge in base appears rather to be a brilliant cut
gemstone. Our rules (RfS VII.3) allow artifacts known in the period and
domain of the Society to be registered as armorial elements provided they
are depicted in their period forms. The brilliant cut, being developed in
the 17th Century, is post-period and not registerable.

The other problem is that the gemstone is in profile. Batonvert noted:
"However, be it known that my sole example in period heraldry of a gemstone
used as an independent charge (i.e., not attached to a ring or other piece
of jewelry), in the civic arms of Beihlstein (Siebmacher 226), shows the
gem from above, not in profile. A set gem would be likewise seen from
above. Neither in its natural setting (as it were) nor in heraldry would a
gemstone be seen in profile. Granted that we've registered gemstones in
profile once before (in the arms of Theresa Yolanda Cabeza de Vaca, April
2005), it remains a poor practice, and I see no reason to perpetuate it."
Theresa's device was blazoned Argent, two chevronels braced and on a chief
rayonny sable three faceted gemstones in profile argent. However, she also
submitted documentation showing that style of gem cut (with a flat top, or
table, with eight supplementary facets) was developed in 1380. No such
documentation has been adduced here.

A non-period cut for a gemstone is not registerable. Depicting a gemstone
in profile is a step from period practice. [Taran MacThamhais, Feb 2007,
R-Northshield]

This submission has the same problem, and is therefore returned for the
same reason.

ANSTEORRA pends * *Anastasiia Dmitrieva Sokolova. * Name.

The submitter requested authenticity for 15th century Russian. This request
was not summarized in the Letter of Intent, and was not addressed in
commentary. Therefore, we are pending the name in order to allow commenters
to consider this request.

This was item 2 on the Ansteorra letter of August 12, 2014
* *Paitin Todd. * Device. Azure, on a cross of Toulouse five musical notes
Or.

This device submission is pended for more research to find whether there is
period evidence of such a framing of charges by voided crosses.

This was item 14 on the Ansteorra letter of May 31, 2014

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