[ANSTHRLD] Jason III

[Paul Mitchell]

I remember, because I was still getting Popular Chivalry at the time, Mad
Celt signing his letters as John II; while Bearkiller didn't use numbers.

I long thought that if I ever won crown, I would reign as Galen II.

- Galen of Bristol, Eclipse Herald

On Saturday, July 16, 2016, Jay Rudin <rudin at peoplepc.com> wrote:

> Yes, you're exactly right. He will be Jason III. This is the result of our
> non-period approach of using more than one regnal number for a single
> person.
>
> In England, during the War of the Roses, Henry VI was followed by Edward
> IV, followed by the return of Henry VI, and then the return of Edward IV.
> But they kept their numbers.
>
> By contrast, in the non-heraldic presidency of the United States, Grover
> Cleveland was the 22nd and 24th President of the United States.
>
> In Meridies, after John the Bearkiller had three reigns, the Mad Celt won.
> I heard at the time (but have no documentation) that he signed as John II.
> He was the second king of Meridies named John (although the fourth reign of
> a John).
>
> However, I see on the current Meridies web page that John the Bearkiller's
> reigns are listed as John I, John II, and John III (and eventually IV and
> V), while the Mad Celt is listed as John of Ean Airgead I and John of Ean
> Airgead II.
>
> So under the English model, our Prince would become Jason II (as the
> previous Jason would have been simply Jason in both of his reigns).
> Under the presidential model, our prince would merely be the 76th king.
> Under the modern Meridien model, he would be Jason Dryfesdale (and in a
> second reign, Jason Dryfesdale II).
>
> But Ansteorra's use of changing regnal numbers means he will be Jason III.
>
> Robin of Gilwell / Jay Rudin
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Darin Herndon <st.amaranth at yahoo.com <javascript:;>>
> >Sent: Jul 16, 2016 8:35 PM
> >To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,
> >       Inc." <heralds at lists.ansteorra.org <javascript:;>>
> >Subject: [ANSTHRLD] Jason III
> >
> >OK.  I intended to change the subject line and delete the prior message I
> used to reply and start this topic.  Apparently I was tired and missed
> doing that.b it had nothing to do with the Bordure Herald change.
> >
> >Respectfully,
> >
> >Maitrè Etienne de Saint Amaranth, OP
> >Verger Herald Extraordinaire
> >
> >> On Jul 16, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Darin Herndon <st.amaranth at yahoo.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> So, has anyone else put together that our next King will be a Jason
> (his first reign) but he should still be styled as Jason III?  We have had
> a Jason and Jason II (Jason MacPhearson).  This will be a first in
> Ansteorra (unless I missed someone) where we will have a new person with
> the same given reign name.  But he should go down as Jason III.
> >>
> >> Respectfully,
> >>
> >> Maitrè Etienne de Saint Amaranth, OP
> >> Verger Herald Extraordinaire
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