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<TITLE>RE: ANSTHRLD - House Mac an Ghabhann</TITLE>
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<P><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">From: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Doug Bell [SMTP:debell@txcyber.com]</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Sent: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Thursday, March 30, 2000 12:15 AM</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">To: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">heralds@ansteorra.org</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Subject: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Re: ANSTHRLD - House Mac an Ghabhann</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Perusing the last 10 years of Laurels letters revealed:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">November 1993 LoAR</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">"Dana Mac An Ghabhann. Name for House Mac an Ghabhann Ruadh.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Ruadh must agree in case and gender with ghabhann, which </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">in this case would make it ruaidh. Since the submitters </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">allowed no changes or corrections at all to the name, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">it must be returned."</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I was aware of this return. See my comments below.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">June 1992 LoAR</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">"Dana Mac an Ghabhann. Household name for House Mac an Ghabhann.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Conflict with Clan MacGowan, cited in the LoI. Mac an Ghabhann </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">is merely the older form of MacGowan."</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">A conflict was called against an historical Scottish clan then</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">and the conflict would remain the same today.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">The grandfather clause would not be of any use for</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">this conflict.</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Reasonable. Though most people would not know they were the same name.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">However from Daud's comments it looks like</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">House Mac An Ghabhann Ruaidh was registerable at the time.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Any one else care to take a crack at this one?</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">The problem with Ruaidh is, and I quote Mama Mac (Dana) : "There has never been an 'I' in Mac an Ghabhann and there never will be." I will not say this is a firm argument to stand upon onomastically, but it is her argument.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I want to try and find a way to satisfy her desires with a registerable name. I know it will take some serious work to get this, because she may dismiss things simply because she doesn't like the letter 'I', for instance, but I'd like to give it a go.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Any other help or ideas?</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Timothy</FONT>
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