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class=976481813-26022004>Please read the following and see if there is something
in the way of a plausible name based on the given info. The user is trying
to work with us and I am in hopes we can work something out for
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class=976481813-26022004>Let me know what you come up with</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ironwyrm@juno.com
[mailto:ironwyrm@juno.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 25, 2004 6:09
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Ryder, Brent (bryder)<BR><B>Cc:</B> Ryder, Brent
(bryder)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Devise in progress: William Black Dragon
(Ironwyrm)<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:38:13 -0600 <<A
href="mailto:Brent.Ryder@compucom.com">Brent.Ryder@compucom.com</A>>
writes:<BR>> > >I have started working on my devise & badge
submission again, <BR>> using<BR>> > >a suggestion of Rumil's,
taking a name and canting the devise to<BR>> > >reflect it as that
name visibly from a 100 yards away.<BR>> <BR>> Good to hear :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Yeah, no more pouting about it, let's just get
it done!</FONT><BR>> <BR>> > >Canting Ironwyrm: The color of
iron (black) and a wyrm <BR>> (dragon),<BR>> > >descriptively
making a "black dragon" or "iron wyrm" as the <BR>> visual.<BR>>
<BR>> So you are going to register William (Uillam?) Black Dragon for
<BR>> your<BR>> name? The only registration I found so far was for a
'Black Dragon<BR>> Herald' in another kingdom. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Haven't thought of that!?! I'm having a
great deal </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>trouble finding any type of last name for
those lower </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>than</FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>high born in late eleventh, early twelfth
century Britain. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Saxons were </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>adopting Norman names to avoid oppression. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Anyone </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>from
the army rank of Sergeant, middle class, or </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>below </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>seldom
seems </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>have last names other than
descriptive, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>occupational, </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>locational or nicknames. Such as "</FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>Stephen de </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Bulmer", "Robert son of Leonard",
"William fitz Alan", "John </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>the </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Cook",
"Orderic the Smith", "Godric of Finchale", "William </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>of Malmesbury", "Roger <FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>God</FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>-save-the-Ladies", and of
</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>course</FONT></FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4> how could we not mention "</FONT></FONT><FONT
color=#0000a0 size=4><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>Roland the Farter" a jester </FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>of some dubious renown</FONT>. </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>All seem Influenced by Norman, Anglo
Saxon/Scandinavian, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Flemish, French and the occasional Welsh
background.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>William is not hard to document as common and
popular</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>name around that period (example - "When
Henry the </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>young King held court in Normandy at Christmas
1171 </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>the guests supposedly included 110 knights
named 'William'. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>They got together in one room and refused to
let anyone </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>in to eat with them unless they were called
'William'").</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>(The original idea behind "Ironwyrm" was a
nickname used </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>to differ from all the other Williams.
Planned persona being an </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>early </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>upper-middle </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>class
merchant/alchemist/artillerist </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>experimenting </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>with and </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>trying to sale the idea of
primitive black </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>powder </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>artillery to </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>the Crowns of Europe
(first recorded use of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>such </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>during
a </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>siege in France 1243). </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Current working persona is high born/upper
middle Norman/</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Brittany </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>mix, raised western England late eleventh century, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>relocated to Norman held Sicily, campaigned
against Moors as </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>arbalist</FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>/archer commander & siege engineer, turned merchant </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>early in twelfth </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>century.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>As for the name, I am not as dead set on
"Ironwyrm" as I was, </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>and </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>have accepted that it will only be a
nickname much as in </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>period. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>I would be willing to just register "William"
and let it go </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>at </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>that, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>but that doesn't work for the SCA. So
what I am interested </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>in </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>doing is getting my devise and badge
registered and that </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>requires </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>an SCA name. I understand that a
"holding name" may </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>be </FONT><FONT
color=#0000a0 size=4>used </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>to </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>register
a devise & badge, if so I would like to do that </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>should </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>the </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>next
name submission be rejected.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>As a "holding name" I would be open to:
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>"William" - "Wyrm"(but not Worm), "Iron", or
any variation of </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>archery, hunting, woodlands, or location in
western England such as</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>(the or of) "Archer", "Bowman", "Arbalist",
"Huntsman", "Forester", </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>"Tracker", <FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>"Greenwood", </FONT>"Briars", "Brambles', "Thicket",
"Essex",</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>"Rutland", "Huntingdon", "Pickering",
"Yorkshire", or "Nottingham".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>I'd even be willing to accept "William the
Farter" if they will accept</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>it as a "holding name".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>As SCA name I would still wish "William
Ironwyrm", but with </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>no documentable examples I see little hope of
that happening.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>The last possibility discussed with me
was submitting as:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>"William Iron Wyrm' (no changes) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>But if you have a documentable "Black
Dragon" I would</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>be open to submitting as:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>"William Black Dragon" in any variation
of old English, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Latin, French, Scandinavian, or
Flemish that might work.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm so bad at onomastics that I cannot <BR>> tell<BR>> you if this
is a viable name construction or not.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Don't know myself, nor would I have any Idea
whom to ask?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>> <BR>> OK, blazon fu, "Argent, a dragon couchant, wings elevated
and <BR>> addorsed,<BR>> and a chief rayonny sable."<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Thank's, that will help a lot!</FONT><BR>>
<BR>> Did a conflict check and did not find a conflict which I found a
<BR>> bit<BR>> surprising. There are actually very few devices with a
'dragon <BR>> couchant'<BR>> at all.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Good, that's what I was shooting
for!</FONT><BR>> <BR>> Let me know how I can help from here</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Just let me know what you think about the
"holding name" </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>idea </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>when
you get time and </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>if that will work I'll pick
something </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>& restart the </FONT><FONT color=#0000a0
size=4>paper</FONT><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>work!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Thanks for your assistance!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000a0 size=4>Ironwyrm <BR></FONT></DIV>
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