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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Then Vert, per fess gules, charged with a fleur-de-lys Or would not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>violate the rules. Right?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Troye</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu@ansteorra.org [<A HREF="mailto:heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu@ansteorra.org">mailto:heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu@ansteorra.org</A>] On Behalf Of Mistress Bronwen</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:55 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Device check</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>"Per fess" is a field division, and can have two colors. "A fess" is an </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>ordinary, and cannot generally be placed upon a field with which it has </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>low contrast.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Bronwen</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>"Quod Excogitem Sum"..."I Am What I Can Imagine"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>[Per pale sable and argent, an antelope statant and in chief a pearled </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>coronet counterchanged]</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>~</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: <francis.schalles@ttuhsc.edu></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: <heralds@ansteorra.org></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 4:52 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: [ANSTHRLD] Device check</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>>I was under the impression that you could have a field division, a </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>fess,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> with two colors. I understand the basic rules, of tincture and metals </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> used</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> for contrast. Guess I need to read the rules again. So any pale, pall, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> bend</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> chevron, etc must be the opposite (metal/tincture) of the field?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Troye</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> From: heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu@ansteorra.org</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> [<A HREF="mailto:heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu@ansteorra.org">mailto:heralds-bounces+francis.schalles=ttuhsc.edu@ansteorra.org</A>] On </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Behalf</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Of Alden Drake</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 3:46 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> To: Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Device check</FONT>
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> --- "Schalles, Francis" <francis.schalles@ttuhsc.edu> wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> Again greetings,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> Vert, a fess gules charged with a fleu-de-lys Or.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> Too simple?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> Troye</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>> Western Cross Herald</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Also blazoned: Vert, on a fess gules a fleur-de-lys Or.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> This design has a color-on-color problem. The Rule of Tincture, or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> what</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> you'll commonly hear as</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> color-on-color or metal-on-metal, is used in the SCA to ensure </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> sufficient</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> contrast of charges on</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the field of a device. Basic colors consist of gules (red), vert </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> (green),</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> sable (black), azure</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> (blue), and purpure (purple). Basic metals consist of Or (yellow) and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> argent (white). Furs and</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> "proper" tinctures vary depending on the major tincture used and I'll </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> willing to discuss them</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> separately if desired.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Poor contrast is obtained from putting a charge of a color on a field </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> of a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> color (ie a fess gules</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> on a vert field). The same would apply to a metal charge on a metal </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> field</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> (ie a fess Or on an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> argent field).</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> The same would apply to a charge atop another charge - in this case, </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> fleur-de-lys Or on the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> fess gules. This shows good contrast. A fleur-de-lys vert on a fess </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> gules</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> would not.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> My recommendation would be to change the vert field to either Or or </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> argent.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> If you want the vert</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> field, you'll need to change the fess tincture to a metal, and </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> therefore</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> change the fleur tincture</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> to a color.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Hope this helps.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> YIS,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>> Alden Drake</FONT>
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