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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Lord Iaen,</span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I wasn’t asking Star to weigh in on
Guardians or Bella Luce… The Shire of </span></font><font size=2
color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>Seawinds</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> has the Company of the
Sable Ram, which recognizes people for exceptional service… It is
somewhat similar to the Guardians of the Gate, only, the Shire is usually not
polled. The company members make the selections on their own. I was simply
asking Star for her opinion…. Sorry for any confusion my post might’ve
made.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jayme</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> heralds-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com@ansteorra.org
[mailto:heralds-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com@ansteorra.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>John Moore<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 13, 2005
2:32 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Heralds List, Kingdom of
Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ANSTHRLD] Shires and
Thank Yous</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Jayme, yes they go back to the days
of the Canton of Gates Edge. However, before this gets to a point of
people saying no you can not have them let me explain. These are not nor
have ever intended to be orders. They are simply a recognition of select
people within the shire by others. The Guardians of the Gate is giving by
those who have received it before to one that they feel has shown that they are
an example of what we believe one should put forth as a member of the
shire. Candidates are chosen only by those previously acknowledged.
The shire is asked to suggest possible candidates but the final vote is by
former Guardians. It carries absolutely no precedence what so ever.
Never has and never will. One of the reason we do not call ourselves a
order. The Bella Luce is a scroll or token given by the group seneschal
to the artisan/s that he/she feels has done the most work in the artistic
fields for the shire. Once again the Seneschal may ask the populace for
suggestions but is not required to pick from those. Neither of these are
given out every year. Some years they may have multiple people given
these. The medallions given out were originally made by Baroness Adelicia
Braebent, hand painted and paid for out of her own pocket. Mistress Annes
Clotilde von Bamberg has made the last set that was given out I believe, again
paid for by herself. The Bella Luce's given out have also been paid for
or donated by a member of the shire or the Seneschal. We who are been
given these do wear them with pride as they are given by our peers within the
Shire but know that they bear naught outside of our little group. With
the above explanation I believe that it can been seen that we meet Kihe
definition on B and C. I hope this clears things up and thank you for the
time to explain this. </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Lord Iaen Mor</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Shire of Gates Edge</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>John Moore</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:jpercer@gmail.com" title="jpercer@gmail.com">Joseph Percer</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:heralds@ansteorra.org" title="heralds@ansteorra.org">'Heralds
List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.'</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday,
November 13, 2005 1:06 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE:
[ANSTHRLD] Shires and Thank Yous</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would wager those stem
from the days when Gate’s Edge was part of Stargate. However, I
couldn’t say for sure… Star, if you’re out there, can you
weigh in on this?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Jayme</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Seawinds</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <a
href="mailto:heralds-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com@ansteorra.org">heralds-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com@ansteorra.org</a>
[mailto:heralds-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com@ansteorra.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Maria<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 13, 2005
10:37 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Heralds List, Kingdom of
Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ANSTHRLD] Shires and
Thank Yous</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Mike,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I'm a little confused then.
The Shire of Gate's Edge has 2 orders, the Guardians of the Gate (given for
serice to the Shire) and the Bella Luce (given for A&S service and abilities).
They are both non-armigerous. The Guardian was created many years ago
when Gate's Edge was just a Canton. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>It sounds like the order Prudence is
talking about would be exactly like the Guardian of the Gate award that we give
out. If it's not please explain the difference. I read her question
and thought immediatly of the Guardian. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In Service to the Dream,<br>
Lady Elizabeta Maria dei Medici<br>
Maria Buchanan<br>
Official Worrier of House Starfire<br>
Hospitaler - Barony of the Stargate<br>
Hospitaler - Shire of Gate's Edge<br>
In the Stellar Kingdom of Ansteorra<br>
281-433-0347</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:kihebard@hotmail.com"
title="kihebard@hotmail.com">Mike C. Baker / Kihe Blackeagle</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:heralds@ansteorra.org" title="heralds@ansteorra.org">Heralds List,
Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday,
November 13, 2005 1:06 AM</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[ANSTHRLD] Shires and Thank Yous</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>You've got it exactly and precisely so, Prudence.
<f/x: waving "Hi!" - we've met in Robin of Gilwell's living
room...> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>In fact, I, and through me the Shire of Moonschadowe,
got slapped reasonably gently for trying to institute something similar
[MUMBLE] years ago...</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>That being said, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS! </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(A) Write award recommendations and submit them *as
individuals* (at least at first) to the appropriate authorities: the
Crown, regional superiors, Kingdom superiors.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(B) Give wordfame in meetings, at events attended,
etc. (B-Plus) Memorialize their efforts / achievements in poem, tune,
tale and get same distributed "appropriately"</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(C) As a collection of individuals, separate from
existence as branch officers and NOT using branch funds, give the individual it
is desired to honor a nifty neat narfgobbler or batwangler or other whatsit --
accompanied by appropriate flowery words, which it is possible to render in the
form of a scroll... </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Distinction is that if the people of the shire do (B)
or (C) nothing immediately gets reflected in the Order of Precedence.
Enough people going through (A), the recommendation process over time builds a
reputation beyond the immediate group, and the cumulative effect is recognition
by the appropriate precedence-carrying (or specifically NON-precedence-carrying)
award. (The Lion of Ansteorra technically carries no precedence in the
Order of Precedence, does not confer an AoA if the recipient doesn't already
have one, etc. [paraphrasing Robin of Gilwell, current Oakenwald Purs.:]
It is therefore among the most coveted actively-given awards in the Kingdom of
Ansteorra, and is recognized throughout most of the Known World as being
terribly and wonderfully important.)</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mike C. Baker<br>
SCA: al-Sayyid Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra<br>
"Other": Reverend Kihe Blackeagle PULC (the DreamSinger Bard)<br>
Opinions? I'm FULL of 'em<br>
alt. e-mail: KiheBard@hotmail.com OR MCBaker216@cs.com<br>
Buy my writings!: http://www.lulu.com/WizardsDen<br>
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kihebard/<br>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a href="mailto:prudencecurious@netscape.net"
title="prudencecurious@netscape.net">prudencecurious@netscape.net</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:heralds@ansteorra.org" title="heralds@ansteorra.org">heralds@ansteorra.org</a>
</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday,
November 12, 2005 10:07 PM</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [ANSTHRLD]
Shires and Thank Yous</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Greetings all,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I want to double check some
information. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>At my last shire meeting, they
talked about creating an award of some sort to thank people for their good
deeds, something far short of an AOA.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Now, from my experience in the
East Kingdom, this is NOT DONE. (My shire back East got slapped six ways
to Thursday for giving out a thank you.) In no uncertain terms we were
informed that shires cannot give out awards or orders, that is reserved for the
Crown and Baronies; and if we want to give out awards, we better become a
barony. It was highly recommended to my old shire that it does absolute
nothing that even has the APPEARANCE of an award or order.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:1.0in'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I toned this down a lot and said
it in the business meeting for my new shire; it was my first official meeting
as acting herald and I hope I imparted correct information. That is:
"a shire cannot give out awards or orders, that is reserved for the Crown
and Baronies." Is this correct in Ansteorra?</span></font></p>
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