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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would wager those stem from the days
when Gate’s Edge was part of Stargate. However, I couldn’t say for
sure… Star, if you’re out there, can you weigh in on this?</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> heralds-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com@ansteorra.org
[mailto:heralds-bounces+jpercer=gmail.com@ansteorra.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Maria<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, November 13, 2005
10:37 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Heralds List, Kingdom of
Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ANSTHRLD] Shires and
Thank Yous</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Mike,</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I'm a little confused then.
The Shire of Gate's Edge has 2 orders, the Guardians of the Gate (given for
serice to the Shire) and the Bella Luce (given for A&S service and
abilities). They are both non-armigerous. The Guardian was created
many years ago when Gate's Edge was just a Canton. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>It sounds like the order Prudence is
talking about would be exactly like the Guardian of the Gate award that we give
out. If it's not please explain the difference. I read her question
and thought immediatly of the Guardian. </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>In Service to the Dream,<br>
Lady Elizabeta Maria dei Medici<br>
Maria Buchanan<br>
Official Worrier of House Starfire<br>
Hospitaler - Barony of the Stargate<br>
Hospitaler - Shire of Gate's Edge<br>
In the Stellar Kingdom of Ansteorra<br>
281-433-0347</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:kihebard@hotmail.com" title="kihebard@hotmail.com">Mike C. Baker /
Kihe Blackeagle</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:heralds@ansteorra.org" title="heralds@ansteorra.org">Heralds List,
Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA,Inc.</a> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Sunday,
November 13, 2005 1:06 AM</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Re:
[ANSTHRLD] Shires and Thank Yous</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>You've got it exactly and precisely so,
Prudence. <f/x: waving "Hi!" - we've met in Robin of
Gilwell's living room...> </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>In fact, I, and through me the Shire of Moonschadowe,
got slapped reasonably gently for trying to institute something similar
[MUMBLE] years ago...</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>That being said, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS! </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(A) Write award recommendations and submit them *as
individuals* (at least at first) to the appropriate authorities: the
Crown, regional superiors, Kingdom superiors.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(B) Give wordfame in meetings, at events attended,
etc. (B-Plus) Memorialize their efforts / achievements in poem, tune,
tale and get same distributed "appropriately"</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>(C) As a collection of individuals, separate from
existence as branch officers and NOT using branch funds, give the individual it
is desired to honor a nifty neat narfgobbler or batwangler or other whatsit --
accompanied by appropriate flowery words, which it is possible to render in the
form of a scroll... </span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:10.0pt'>Distinction is that if the people of the shire do (B)
or (C) nothing immediately gets reflected in the Order of Precedence.
Enough people going through (A), the recommendation process over time builds a
reputation beyond the immediate group, and the cumulative effect is recognition
by the appropriate precedence-carrying (or specifically
NON-precedence-carrying) award. (The Lion of Ansteorra technically
carries no precedence in the Order of Precedence, does not confer an AoA if the
recipient doesn't already have one, etc. [paraphrasing Robin of Gilwell,
current Oakenwald Purs.:] It is therefore among the most coveted actively-given
awards in the Kingdom of Ansteorra, and is recognized throughout most of the
Known World as being terribly and wonderfully important.)</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt'>Adieu, Amra / ttfn - Mike / Pax ... Kihe </span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt'>Mike C. Baker<br>
SCA: al-Sayyid Amr ibn Majid al-Bakri al-Amra<br>
"Other": Reverend Kihe Blackeagle PULC (the DreamSinger Bard)<br>
Opinions? I'm FULL of 'em<br>
alt. e-mail: KiheBard@hotmail.com OR MCBaker216@cs.com<br>
Buy my writings!: http://www.lulu.com/WizardsDen<br>
http://www.livejournal.com/users/kihebard/<br>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- </span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:prudencecurious@netscape.net" title="prudencecurious@netscape.net">prudencecurious@netscape.net</a>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href="mailto:heralds@ansteorra.org" title="heralds@ansteorra.org">heralds@ansteorra.org</a>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Saturday,
November 12, 2005 10:07 PM</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> [ANSTHRLD]
Shires and Thank Yous</span></font></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I want to double check some
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>At my last shire meeting, they
talked about creating an award of some sort to thank people for their good
deeds, something far short of an AOA.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>Now, from my experience in the
East Kingdom, this is NOT DONE. (My shire back East got slapped six ways
to Thursday for giving out a thank you.) In no uncertain terms we were
informed that shires cannot give out awards or orders, that is reserved for the
Crown and Baronies; and if we want to give out awards, we better become a
barony. It was highly recommended to my old shire that it does absolute
nothing that even has the APPEARANCE of an award or order.</span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in'><font size=2 face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana'>I toned this down a lot and said
it in the business meeting for my new shire; it was my first official meeting
as acting herald and I hope I imparted correct information. That is:
"a shire cannot give out awards or orders, that is reserved for the Crown
and Baronies." Is this correct in Ansteorra?</span></font></p>
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