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<font size="2">We discussed a fieldless badge, but that would conflict with:
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<li><font size="1"><a href="http://oanda.sca.org/cgi-bin/oanda_name.cgi?p=Aeruin%20as%20Sruth%20Waleis">Aeruin as Sruth Waleis</a></font>
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<li><font size="1">The following badge associated with this name was registered <a href="http://oanda.sca.org/cgi-bin/oanda_date.cgi?y1=2002&m1=June&y2=2002&m2=June&kW=checked">in June of 2002 (via the West)</a>:
<br /><b>(Fieldless) A daffodil slipped and leaved bell to chief argent.</b>
<br />Armory descriptions:</font>
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<li><font size="1"><a href="http://oanda.sca.org/cgi-bin/oanda_desc.cgi?p=FLOWER%2dTRUMPET%20SHAPE%3a1%3aargent%3aspa">FLOWER-TRUMPET SHAPE:1:argent:spa</a></font></li>
<li><font size="1"><a href="http://oanda.sca.org/cgi-bin/oanda_desc.cgi?p=NO">NO</a></font></li>
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<font size="2">would it not?
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<br />Also, what is the "fieldless bribe"?
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<br />Donnchadh
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From: tmcd@panix.com
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To: "Heralds List, Kingdom of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc."
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Sent: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:19:53 -0600 (CST)
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Subject: Re: [ANSTHRLD] Questions about a tierce
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<br />> On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Donnchahd Beag mac Griogair
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<donnchadh@cornelius.norman.ok.us> wrote:
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> She is also looking at doing a badge as well (especially if she goes
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> with ermine for the tierce), of Vert, a lily argent slipped and
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> leaved Or.
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Did you explain that, while that style is certainly registerable,
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period badges were usually fieldless? And there's the "fieldless
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bribe" too.
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> I thought for sure that would be taken, but when I checked I could
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> only find one device that even came close:
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>
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> Minowara Kiritsubo
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> Vert, a calla lily blossom proper within a bordure Or.
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> for Eleanor Aison of Devon
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>
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> I'm not sure if there would be a CD between a calla lily blossom
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> proper and a lily argent slipped and leaved Or. One for color
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> maybe? I'm not sure what the proper color for a calla lily
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> blossom is.
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Judging by my Google Images search for "calla lily", there shouldn't
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be a proper defined for it: one page alone shows white, purple, red,
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yellow shading into red, rose, and faint violet.
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I've looked at Minowara Kiritsubo's badge form, and the calla lily
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blossom is white with a yellow, er, whatever that thingy is in the
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center, the pistil or stamen or stigma or whatever.
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<<a target="_blank" href="http://www.onlinewholesaleflowers.com/calla.jpg">http://www.onlinewholesaleflowers.com/calla.jpg</a>> is
pretty close,
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except that Kiritsubo's is rotated slightly to be face on (that is,
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the picture is slightly trian aspect) and Kiritsubo's doesn't have the
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foliage. If someone could name that yellow reproductive organ in the
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middle for me, I'd appreciate it. (No, not "Bob", though that's
an
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oddly appropriate term at times in the context of sexual organs.
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I mean pistil or stamen or stigma or whatever.)
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... OK, I did a search of LoARs and found a definite statement (10/95
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LoAR):
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Leonora of Monadh. Name and device. Vert, three lilies and a
bordure Or.
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Monadh is the registered name of her branch.
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Versus Minowara Kiritsubo, Vert, a calla lily
blossom proper
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within a bordure Or, there are CDs for the number of primary
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charges and for their tincture; a calla lily blossom proper is
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argent, stamened Or.
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I still suspect it's actually a pistil, but you know what it means.
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Slipping and leaving is not a CD, even when it's big and visually
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prominent. (You'd pretty much have to shrink the blossom to be tiny
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to get a CD -- by virtue of it changing from "a lily slipped and
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leaved" to "a lily plant", which is to say, no longer a flower.)
The
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yellow sexy thingy in the center of Kiritsubo's is too small for
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difference, I'd say.
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So only 1 CD for the bordure -- conflict.
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Dannet de Lyncoln
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--
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"Me, I love the USA; I never miss an episode." -- Paul
"Fruitbat" Sleigh
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Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd@panix.com
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