Any one wishing the circle/flame/rock pattern for the Fian Ruadh tabards, please email me and we can work out details about getting them to you. Hint, fax is a good way. <grin> Please email me privately if you need/want them. prohero at cowtown.net -- Lughnasadh is coming, let's get ready!!! Lord Dunstan æt Sancte Petroces Stow