[Loch-Ruadh] Re: Birthday Addendum from Loch Ruadh Mail

[Wendy Goodwin]

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Today's Topics:

1. Re: C&I pictures (Gerald Lewis)
2. Re: parallel pictures up (Ldyinnes at aol.com)
3. Rattan (Steve Rourke)
4. I need your GulfWar XII Pre-Registration (Dan Foster)
5. Re: I need your GulfWar XII Pre-Registration (Elizabeth Hawkwood)
6. RE: Re: Birthdays (Spence and Robin Mabry)
7. Re: Re: Birthdays (Ldyinnes at aol.com)

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Message: 1
From: "Gerald Lewis"
To:
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] C&I pictures
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:00:31 -0600
Reply-To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org

Very nice Asa!

Suzanne


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Message: 2
From: Ldyinnes at aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:35:03 EST
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] parallel pictures up
To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org
Reply-To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org

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Asa



Beautiful

innes


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Message: 3
From: "Steve Rourke"
To: "Loch Ruadh"
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:34:17 -0800
Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] Rattan
Reply-To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 17:23:12 -0600
From: Dan Foster
To: "loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org"
Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] I need your GulfWar XII Pre-Registration
Reply-To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org

Greetings,

The closing date for GulfWar XII pre-registration is January 31, this
Friday. Your pre-registration form must be dated by the post office no
later than Friday, January 31 to be reregistered. If you have not
pre-registered and you are camping with House Mac/Loch-Ruadh please
email or call me to confirmation now. You will need to complete the
camping with section to read: Barony of Axemoor, Not Loch-Ruadh. For
those of you that have already mailed your pre-registrations I need you
to email or call me ASAP!

Yes, the rush is on. The reason I need your land/pre-registration
information is for the additional (30x90) land that adjoins the Barony
of Axemoor's land. We are being challenged by Bryn Gwlad. Therefore, I
need to see and confirm the pre-registered numbers in order to justify
why we need the land ajoining Axemoor. For those people that have not
mailed in the pre-reg form, your numbers are helpful (just say late
registration). House Mac an Ghabhann/Loch-Ruadh have a long term
alliance with the Barony of Axemoor and the ajoining land will prevent
us from splitting up the encampment. If we lose the land we will be
seriously cramped for space....

We are not powerless, but I can not make a stand unless we have the
numbers, so please get your information requested to me ASAP. I will be
calling the Gulf War Land steward to discuss this again Wednesday night.
So have your request in to me by Tuesday night.

What to send or call to me: Mundane Names, SCA Names of each
pre-registered person and tent dimensions.

Lord Daniel O'Ceileachair
817-446-3919
GulfWar XII
Camp Coordinator




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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:07:54 -0600
From: Elizabeth Hawkwood
To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] I need your GulfWar XII Pre-Registration
Reply-To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org

Dan -
I FAXed mine and Randy's to you yesterday. If you did NOT
receive the FAXes, I have hard copies for you. The
registrations were mailed this morning:


SCA Name: Elizabeth Hawkwood
Mundane Name: Rhonda New
Tent Size: 12X14
Day Arriving: Sunday
Group Camping with: Barony of Axemoor

SCA Name: Big Guy
Mundane Name: Randy New
Tent Size: n/a
Day Arriving: Sunday
Group Camping with: Barony of Axemoor

//EH


fosterd3 at earthlink.net wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> The closing date for GulfWar XII pre-registration is January 31, this
> Friday. Your pre-registration form must be dated by the post office no
> later than Friday, January 31 to be reregistered. If you have not
> pre-registered and you are camping with House Mac/Loch-Ruadh please
> email or call me to confirmation now. You will need to complete the
> camping with section to read: Barony of Axemoor, Not Loch-Ruadh. For
> those of you that have already mailed your pre-registrations I need you
> to email or call me ASAP!
>
> Yes, the rush is on. The reason I need your land/pre-registration
> information is for the additional (30x90) land that adjoins the Barony
> of Axemoor's land. We are being challenged by Bryn Gwlad. Therefore, I
> need to see and confirm the pre-registered numbers in order to justify
> why we need the land ajoining Axemoor. For those people that have not
> mailed in the pre-reg form, your numbers are helpful (just say late
> registration). House Mac an Ghabhann/Loch-Ruadh have a long term
> alliance with the Barony of Axemoor and the ajoining land will prevent
> us from splitting up the encampment. If we lose the land we will be
> seriously cramped for space....
>
> We are not powerless, but I can not make a stand unless we have the
> numbers, so please get your information requested to me ASAP. I will be
> calling the Gulf War Land steward to discuss this again Wednesday night.
> So have your request in to me by Tuesday night.
>
> What to send or call to me: Mundane Names, SCA Names of each
> pre-registered person and tent dimensions.
>
> Lord Daniel O'Ceileachair
> 817-446-3919
> GulfWar XII
> Camp Coordinator
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Loch-ruadh mailing list
> Loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org
> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/loch-ruadh
>



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Message: 6
From: "Spence and Robin Mabry"
To:
Subject: RE: [Loch-Ruadh] Re: Birthdays
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:48:36 -0600
Organization: Prodigy Internet
Reply-To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org

Jan 2 - Me (Robin de Shealladh) Robin Chamberlain of Elfsea

-----Original Message-----
From: loch-ruadh-admin at ansteorra.org
[mailto:loch-ruadh-admin at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Spence and Robin
Mabry
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:46 AM
To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org; Eadric1201 at aol.com
Cc: avalon_remembered at yahoo.com; ambrielle01 at hotmail.com;
ancientgrl at hotmail.com; dragonsfire-tor at ansteorra.org;
elfsea at ansteorra.org; Robertmique at aol.com; lroten at specent.com;
SFar723022 at aol.com
Subject: RE: [Loch-Ruadh] Re: Birthdays


January 26 Me (Ceatta o Gulcleth mka Spence Mabry)
Ceatta
Keeper of the Elfsea List


-----Original Message-----
From: loch-ruadh-admin at ansteorra.org
[mailto:loch-ruadh-admin at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:15 PM
To: Eadric1201 at aol.com
Cc: avalon_remembered at yahoo.com; ambrielle01 at hotmail.com;
ancientgrl at hotmail.com; dragonsfire-tor at ansteorra.org;
elfsea at ansteorra.org; loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org; Robertmique at aol.com;
lroten at specent.com; SFar723022 at aol.com
Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] Re: Birthdays


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Kind of cool! Out of all of the billions of people who live in the
world, there has got to be somebody born on each date of the year. We
are going to try to accomplish the task of seeing if we can fill the
calendar up with a birthday on every day of the year.

Add your name and your country next to your birth date to the list
below. Then send this list to all of your friends, plus the person who
sent it to you!


Let's see if we can do it!!!!

Remember, COPYING and PASTING this to NEW Email will keep it clean and
make it easier to read than just forwarding it.

If someone has already put their name in the slot of your birthday
please just add your name beside and DO NOT DELETE THAT PERSON'S NAME!!!
Thanks.


January 1~ Kari (USA)
January 2~
January 3~ Harley (Minnesota)
January 4~ Eileen (WA state)
January 5~
January 6~ Betty (TX)
January 7~Sean (California)
January 8~
January 9~ Ryan (Wisconsin)
January 10~ Dick (USA)
January 11~ Jeannine (Canada)
January 12~
January 13~
January 14~
January 15~ Kat (USA)
January 16~ ALEXANDER(USA)
January 17~RUSSEL(USA) STEVE(USA)
January 18~TANYA(U.S.A.)
January 19~ROBERT(USA)
January 20~ Everlie, Alaska
January 21~ Bonnie, WA
January 22~
January 23~
January 24~ Michelle Richards, USA
January 25~ DAVID(USA), Jose (USA),
Cindy(CA),Ellie(USA)
January 26~
January 27~
January 28~
January 29~Chandra(TX), Jaime Leigh (CO)
January 30~
January 31~ Rose, (USA) Sue (USA)
February 1~Rick(North Carolina) Nicki (Texas)
February 2~Scott(USA)
February 3~Derek (USA)
February 4~Zackary, NY (USA), Anne, NH (USA)
February 5~Manny(USA)
February 6~Frankie(Philly)
February 7~Chris(FL)
February 8~Bettie(WA)
February 9~Sheila VT,(USA)
February 10~Andy(TX)
February 11~
February 12~ Chuck (USA)
February 13~ McCal, (USA)
February 14~
February 15~
February 16~
February 17~ Chris (USA)
February 18~
February 19~ Karen (Phoenix, AZ - USA)
February 20~ Brenda (WA)
February 21~
February 22~Luella (AR)
February 23~
February 24~
February 25~SHAWN(USA)
February 26~
February 27~Crystal(TX)
February 28~ Tammy (USA) Timothy (NY)
February 29~
March 1~
March 2~
March 3~
March 4~
March 5~
March 6~
March 7~
March 8~ZEE(WA)
March 9~
March 10~Jenny (USA) Ron (Wi)
March 11~
March 12~
March 13~
March 14~
March 15~
March 16~ Scott (Canada), Tevita(WA), Dawn(London,England) March 17~
March18~Lee (Canada ) March 19~ March 20~Danielle (USA~Bucks County,PA)
March 21~ Angie (Texas - USA) March 22~ Lisa (USA) March 23~ March 24~
Cindy B. (USA) March 25~ March 26~ March 27~ March 28~ March 29~ March
30~ March 31~ April 1~ Paige (South Carolina), Sue (Wisconsin, USA)
April 2~ Christopher (Las
Vegas-USA)Kerry(USA)Tom(CA)
April 3~
April 4~ See (Thailand) Loretta (WI) Helen
(USA) Sean (WA)
April 5~
April 6~ Karen(Canada)
April 7~ Rachel (England)
April 8~ Laura (Canada)
April 9~ Wes (Minnesota, USA)
April 10~
April 11~
April 12~Shanna(WA)
April 13~
April 14~ Cameron (Massachusetts, USA)
April 15~Roxanne(WA)
April 16~ Tim V. (WI, USA) Go Pack Go! :o)
April 17~ Inez (USA)
April 18~
April 19~
April 20~ Brian (NY)
April 21~
April 22~
April 23~Theresa (FL)
April 24~Ed(USA)
April 25~
April 26~
April 27~KRISSY (MILW.WI)
April 28~ Doug (TX)
April 29~Bryan (WA), Dahli (TX)
April 30~
May 1~
May 2~ Tiffany (WA), Barry (IL)
May 3~ Taylor (Mass.), Chelsea (TX)
May 4~ Amy(USA)
May 5~
May 6~
May 7~Andy (TX)
May 8~
May 9~
May 10~
May 11~ Bai-toey (Thailand)
May 12~
May 13~
May 14~Bryan, NY (USA)
May 15~
May 16~
May 17~
May 18~Amy(TX)
May 19~
May 20~
May 21~Amelia(FL)
May 22~
May 23~
May 24~
May 25~ Toon (Thailand)
May 26~
May 27~ Evan (USA)
May 28~
May 29~
May 30~
May 31~Gerald,Mn.(USA)
June 1~
June 2~ Dave (USA), Jim (TX)
June 3~Cody-TX,USA
June 4~
June 5~ Jamie(canada) Rachel (Canada) Diane (USA)
June 6~ David(Canada)
June 7~
June 8~ Terri (USA)
June 9~Maciu(WA)
June 10~ Tiffany (Canada)
June 11~
June 12~Liberty (USA)
June 13~
June 14~ meghan(Canada)
June 15~
June 16~ Marjorie (Michigan)
June 17~ Timmy(Georgia)
June 18~
June 19~Lina(USA)
June 20~Jessica (USA)
June 21~
June 22~Rick K (USA)
June 23~
June 24~Gage(USA)
June 25~ Jacob ( mass.)
June 26~ Dana(Georgia)
June 27~
June 28~Bonnie (USA)
June 29~
June 30~Marci, NY (USA)
July 1~
July 2~
July 3~ Jon (Phoenix, AZ - USA)
July 4~
July 5~ Helen ( New York )
July 6~ STEVE (OHIO), Jeff (TX)
July 7~
July 8~
July 9~
July 10~ Dave (WA)
July 11~ THOMAS(USA) STEVE(USA)
July 12~
July 13~Jeff(USA)Paul-TX,USA
July 14~
July 15~ Rhonda (Canada)
July 16~
July 17~
July 18~
July 19~ Don (USA) Kathy (USA) Arline (USA)
July 20~ christine (las vegas) Tyler (USA)
Mike (NY)
July 21~
July 22~ Amy (Massachusetts, USA)
July 23~
July 24~ Shannon (USA), Cindi (TX)
July 25~
July 26~ Colby (Massachusetts, USA), AJ
(USA)
July 27~
July 28~Riana(WA)
July 29~ Catrine (TX)
July 30~TREVOR(MILW.WI) July 31~ Janet
(Canada) Chrissy
(Oneida, WI -USA)
August 1~ Rene (USA)
August 2~ Renee (USA)
August 3~
August 4~
August 5~
August 6~ Denise (Canada) Bill(USA) Lorraine
(NY)
August 7~ Cary (Wisconsin)
August 8~ Tricia (USA)
August 9~ Nancy (Wisconsin)
August 10~
August 11~
August 12~
August 13~ GUSE (Brew City - WI)
August 14~
August 15~ Maureen (Moski) Green Bay, WI
(USA)
August 16~ Susan (Bremerton, WA) USA
August 17~DAVID(MILW.WI)
August 18~
August 19~
August 20~
August 21~
August 22~Adam Canada (I WUZ HERE)
August 23~Aj(south philly,2st one
luv)Brittany(USA)
August 24~
August 25~ Justin (Canada)
August 26~ Num (Thailand)
August 27~ Michelle (USA),JEFF S(WI.USA)
Bonnie(USA)
August 28~
August 29~ Lily USA, Joseph (Mass.)
August 30~HEATHER(MILW. WI), Betsy (NY)
August 31~ Jenny (minnesota)
September 1~DonnaTx,USA
September 2~
September 3~ Justin(Canada)
September 4~
September 5~
September 6~Suzannah (TX)
September 7~ Stan (USA)
September 8~Laura(Canada) Amy(USA)
September 9~
September 10~ Beach (Thailand)
September 11~
September 12~
September 13~
September 14~ Shari Wisconsin
September 15~ Sarah (USA), Cory
(Massachusetts USA)
September 16~
September 17~
September 18~
September 19~ Alexandria, (USA)
Mirandi(Georgia)
September 20~ Drew (USA) Anne (USA) Shawn (USA)
September 21~ Dori (TX), Lori (TX)
September 22~ Meghan (Canada)
September 23~ Paula (Minnesota)
September 24~ Jennifer (Antioch, CA,USA
September 25~ Morris (rochester, mn, usa)
September 26~ Tylor(canada)
September 27~
September 28~
September 29~
September 30~
October 1~ Alissa (canada)
October 2~Geraldine(TX)
October 3~
October 4~ Penny (Mass.),Paul (CA)
October 5~
October 6~
October 7~Cheryl(Canada)
October 8~ Lena (Germany) Andrea (USA)
October 9~
October 10~Colleen (TX)
October 11~
October 12~ Paul, (USA), Jimmy (NY),
October 13~ May (Thailand)
October 14~
October 15~ Mim (Thailand)Steve(CA,USA)
October 16~
October 17~ Aom (Thailand),June (Thailand)
October 18~
October 19~Lauren(TX)
October 20~ Jaja (Thailand) Derrick (USA)
October 21~ Rusty (USA)
October 22~
October 23~
October 24~
October 25~
October 26~
October 27~
October 28~
October 29~ Dan (TX)
October 30~Hank(CA)
October 31~
November 1~melissa(usa)
November 2~
November 3~ ED (USA)
November 4~ Brandy (Canada) Alec (USA)
November 5~
November 6~
November 7~
November 8~
November 9~
November 10~
November 11~
November 12~
November 13~ Michael (NY),
November 14~
November 15~ Nick (USA) Shawn (USA)
November 16~ Pang (Thailand), Karl (USA)
November 17~ Karl Sr. (USA)
November 18~Cole(USA)
November 19~
November 20~
November 21~
November 22~
November 23~
November 24~
November 25~ Scott (USA)
November 26~ Nu (Thailand)
November 27~
November 28~
November 29~PAUL(USA)
November 30~ Karen (USA)
December 1~
December 2~
December 3~
December 4~ Craig (USA)
December 5~JESSICA (USA)
December 6~
December 7~
December 8~
December 9~Kathleen MN...USA
December 10~Fred, NY (USA)
December 11~
December 12~Elisa (USA)
December 13~
December 14~
December 15~ Shaunna (USA)
December 16~ Chrissy(USA)
December 17~Laura (USA)
December 18~ Julie (USA)/ Sherry (USA), Chris (TX)
December 19~
December 20~
December 21~ Jina (USA)
December 22~
December 23~
December 24~ Gitta (WA)
December 25~ Sandra (USA)
December 26~Jean (USA), Heath (TX)
December 27~
December 28~ Todd (USA)
December 29~
December 30~ Cynthia (FL) Jay (USA)
December 31~ Johanna (Finland), Anna (NY)







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Message: 7
From: Ldyinnes at aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:14:23 EST
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Re: Birthdays
To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org
Reply-To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org

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In a message dated 1/28/03 6:49:46 PM Central Standard Time, smabry at flash.net
writes:


> Subj: RE: [Loch-Ruadh] Re: Birthdays
> Date: 1/28/03 6:49:46 PM Central Standard Time
> From: smabry at flash.net (Spence and Robin Mabry)
> Sender: loch-ruadh-admin at ansteorra.org
> Reply-to: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org
> To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org
>
>
>
>
> Jan 2 - Me (Robin de Shealladh) Robin Chamberlain of Elfsea
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loch-ruadh-admin at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:loch-ruadh-admin at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Spence and Robin
> Mabry
> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 10:46 AM
> To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org; Eadric1201 at aol.com
> Cc: avalon_remembered at yahoo.com; ambrielle01 at hotmail.com;
> ancientgrl at hotmail.com; dragonsfire-tor at ansteorra.org;
> elfsea at ansteorra.org; Robertmique at aol.com; lroten at specent.com;
> SFar723022 at aol.com
> Subject: RE: [Loch-Ruadh] Re: Birthdays
>
>
> January 26 Me (Ceatta o Gulcleth mka Spence Mabry)
> Ceatta
> Keeper of the Elfsea List
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: loch-ruadh-admin at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:loch-ruadh-admin at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Ldyinnes at aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:15 PM
> To: Eadric1201 at aol.com
> Cc: avalon_remembered at yahoo.com; ambrielle01 at hotmail.com;
> ancientgrl at hotmail.com; dragonsfire-tor at ansteorra.org;
> elfsea at ansteorra.org; loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org; Robertmique at aol.com;
> lroten at specent.com; SFar723022 at aol.com
> Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] Re: Birthdays
>
>
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> Kind of cool! Out of all of the billions of people who live in the
> world, there has got to be somebody born on each date of the year. We
> are going to try to accomplish the task of seeing if we can fill the
> calendar up with a birthday on every day of the year.
>
> Add your name and your country next to your birth date to the list
> below. Then send this list to all of your friends, plus the person who
> sent it to you!
>
>
> Let's see if we can do it!!!!
>
> Remember, COPYING and PASTING this to NEW Email will keep it clean and
> make it easier to read than just forwarding it.
>
> If someone has already put their name in the slot of your birthday
> please just add your name beside and DO NOT DELETE THAT PERSON'S NAME!!!
> Thanks.
>
>
> January 1~ Kari (USA)
> January 2~Robin (USA)
> January 3~ Harley (Minnesota)
> January 4~ Eileen (WA state)
> January 5~
> January 6~ Betty (TX)
> January 7~Sean (California)
> January 8~
> January 9~ Ryan (Wisconsin)
> January 10~ Dick (USA)
> January 11~ Jeannine (Canada)
> January 12~Adriana(Texas)
> January 13~
> January 14~
> January 15~ Kat (USA)
> January 16~ ALEXANDER(USA)
> January 17~RUSSEL(USA) STEVE(USA)
> January 18~TANYA(U.S.A.)
> January 19~ROBERT(USA)
> January 20~ Everlie, Alaska
> January 21~ Bonnie, WA
> January 22~
> January 23~
> January 24~ Michelle Richards, USA
> January 25~ DAVID(USA), Jose (USA),
> Cindy(CA),Ellie(USA)
> January 26~
> January 27~
> January 28~
> January 29~Chandra(TX), Jaime Leigh (CO)
> January 30~
> January 31~ Rose, (USA) Sue (USA)
> February 1~Rick(North Carolina) Nicki (Texas)
> February 2~Scott(USA)
> February 3~Derek (USA)
> February 4~Zackary, NY (USA), Anne, NH (USA)
> February 5~Manny(USA)
> February 6~Frankie(Philly)
> February 7~Chris(FL)
> February 8~Bettie(WA)
> February 9~Sheila VT,(USA)
> February 10~Andy(TX)
> February 11~
> February 12~ Chuck (USA)
> February 13~ McCal, (USA)
> February 14~
> February 15~
> February 16~
> February 17~ Chris (USA)
> February 18~
> February 19~ Karen (Phoenix, AZ - USA)
> February 20~ Brenda (WA)
> February 21~
> February 22~Luella (AR)
> February 23~
> February 24~
> February 25~SHAWN(USA)
> February 26~
> February 27~Crystal(TX)
> February 28~ Tammy (USA) Timothy (NY)
> February 29~
> March 1~
> March 2~
> March 3~
> March 4~
> March 5~
> March 6~
> March 7~
> March 8~ZEE(WA)
> March 9~
> March 10~Jenny (USA) Ron (Wi)
> March 11~
> March 12~
> March 13~Wendy(Texas)
> March 14~
> March 15~
> March 16~ Scott (Canada), Tevita(WA), Dawn(London,England) March 17~
> March18~Lee (Canada ) March 19~ March 20~Danielle (USA~Bucks County,PA)
> March 21~ Angie (Texas - USA) March 22~ Lisa (USA) March 23~ March 24~
> Cindy B. (USA) March 25~ March 26~ March 27~ March 28~ March 29~ March
> 30~ March 31~ April 1~ Paige (South Carolina), Sue (Wisconsin, USA), Shane(Texas)

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