We are home, not unpacked or anything yet just parked in the back yard with the gate locked, until later this evening or in the morning. Tegwared McAuley(mka Terry Varner) Loch Ruadh Archery Marshal You need only two tools: WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't, use the tape