[Loch-Ruadh] Question for the Heralds (Past and Present)

[Pádraig Ruad Ó Maolagáin]

Cathal has a good point - you can get the requisite number of differences
by adding a border, or perhaps by doing your background as per fess (a
diagonal split) in two colors, then representing the eagle in a metal, or
counterchanging it.

Think of it this way:  the background could be black and red (sable and
gules), and the eagle could be white or gold (argent or Or), or the eagle
could also be black and red, split at the diagonal field division, with
the red part of the eagle on the black part of the background and vice
versa.

The addition of a secondary charge at the top or the bottom, and/or a
border, and/or a chief or base (top or bottom division) of another color
or metal can give you all the changes you'll need.  The goal, of course,
is to get you as close to what you originally wanted with the fewest major
changes.

Now, I had thought that only two CDs (complete differences) were required
for a device to not conflict.  Have the rules on that changed?  Gruffydd
or Dohmnall, do you know?

Are you going to be at the shed party this weekend?  If so, maybe we can
grab a cup of coffee afterward and discuss some ideas on getting your
device passed.

Gruffydd, will you be there?  If so, can you bring the PicDic so Kaz can
see some of the options?

Padraig

Cathal said:
> I would try something like adding to your device until you have more than
> 3
> differences.
>  Your base design is the white double headed eagle on a blue background.
>  Maybe add something like a blue and black checker background or a blue
> and
> black background split into 8ths.
>  Then maybe add something else on the top or bottom.
>  Just some ideas you can throw out there that wont significantly change
> what
> you like about your device but gets it past the college of heralds.
>   --Cathal
>  :)
>   On 8/8/05, Kaz <kaz.od.wolin at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Since my device was rejected by the Kingdom Heralds as unregisterable
>> because it conflicted with all "birds" ever registered (a bird is a
>> bird is a bird) and other reasons, can I assume that I can feel safe
>> in not running into another Scadian using my device, registered under
>> their name? My reasoning is that since I can't register it, neither
>> can anyone else. I have grown attached to my design and in order to
>> register it, I would have to change to something unrecognizable to its
>> present form. The examples of conflicts presented to me bear NO
>> resemblance to my device in tincture or background layout. My current
>> idea is to forget about registering my device and just use it. Any
>> ideas?
>>
>> On a related note, I was told that (hypothetically) a white raven on a
>> blue background would be in conflict and therefore unregisterable if
>> there was already a gold double-headed eagle on a red background. The
>> reasoning was that there weren't three points of difference. One point
>> for background tincture, one point for charge tincture, but no points
>> for charge since a bird is a bird is a bird. These devices would have
>> only two points of difference. These devices look completely different
>> no matter how artistically they are drawn, yet they would be in
>> conflict in the SCA. Any input?
>>
>>
>> Yours in Service (and Frustration)
>> --
>> Kazimierz od Wolin, the Unregistered