[Loch-Ruadh] Loch-Ruadh Digest, Vol 64, Issue 8
Kenneth Helfrich
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Tue Aug 9 11:53:14 PDT 2011
Sorry all for not being more in touch but the adaption to this unaccustomed heat has drained both Robyn and I.
We hope to be more active as the month wanes, and if someone could let me know when the next bardic circle is to be held i would be glad to attend. I realize its very close and they came by to invite me, but due to heat i was not at my best to even think clearly at the time. I thank the people who came by and sorry for not being the best of hosts because of the weather on me physically. Hope to see you soon. Kennard of Bath.
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1. Re: Funeral Ship (Sluggy!)
2. Seneschal sundries (Terry Sikes)
3. Re: Funeral Ship (Roy Baker)
4. Re: As many......... (Jacklyn Crisp)
5. Re: As many......... (Donna Wallis)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:14:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sluggy! <sluggy9912 at swbell.net>
To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc."
<loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship
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In my experience (For three years, I was a builder/crewperson for a previous
employer's entries in the Cardboard Boat Regatta competition in Arlington
http://www.arlingtonvibe.org/2010/07/river-legacy-cardboard-boat-regatta-2010/ I
wont say that *I* was responsible for various rule changes, but it's fair to say
that our team was, um, part of the problem they have attempted to solve the some
of the current rules).... where was I? Oh, yes, in my experience, cardboard can
indeed make surprisingly decent boats, especially boats with only one journey to
make.
Working with cardboard has it's frustrations, though. Probably the biggest is
that the corrugations give it a "grain" that makes it tend to crease when you
intended for it to bend. Once bent, it will tend to always bend in the same
spot. Much of the inherent strength of carboard depends on flat panels and
straight bends and seams. A traditional longship design will need long planks
with compound curves and cardboard doesn't do that particularly well.
It is, however, very hard to argue against it in terms of price and
availability, at least in small quantities, and paint can fix a LOT of visual
issues.
For our purposes, the potential flammability is an asset, as well.
Sluggy!
________________________________
From: William Osterheim <wosterheim at yahoo.com>
To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc."
<loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sun, August 7, 2011 4:32:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship
I wold think it would be easier to use cardboard, with a wooden keel and
framework. It is a lot more flexable.
Polydore
________________________________
From: Roy Baker <palehorse at mail.com>
To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc."
<loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship
OK,..I've been going over these & have a question.
Would it be easier to use cardboard or the 1/8 luan plywood?
Trygg
----- Original Message -----
From: Sluggy!
Sent: 07/11/11 10:59 PM
To: Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship
I do indeed have 1/8" luan... A full 4x8 sheet *plus* the partial sheet. It is
all, of course, to gladly be given for this project, as is any other skill, tool
or love I hold steward over. Sluggy! ----- Original Message ---- From: Sluggy!
<sluggy9912 at swbell.net> To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA,
Inc." <loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org> Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 11:53:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship I have 1/8" luan plywood, but I need to
see how much I have... I think it's around a 4x4 sheet, not really square, but
about that much. Will let ya know... Sluggy! ----- Original Message ---- From:
William Osterheim <wosterheim at yahoo.com> To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of
Ansteorra, SCA, Inc." <loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org> Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011
1:41:23 AM Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship Actual plans, no... but if
memory is right, I think the 8 foot one Hakon led us in building 15 years ago
used 4" strips of 1/4"
plywood for the sides, so
I would think abotu 2 or 2.5 inch side strips of 1/8" luan plywood would work.
If you get them too wide, you cannot bend them around correctly. Probably on
that size, Get some 1" stock to make the keel and bow and stern out of. It will
need to be wider than you might think to start it up for the end curves.
Polydore ________________________________ From: Roy Baker <palehorse at mail.com>
To: loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 11:13:41 PM Subject:
[Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship Will be building a small scale viking funeral ship in
honor of my departed brother Hakon. Does anyone have the plans or access to one
for this project? If so, please contact me ASAP. This will be a very small build
(No more that 3-4 ft in length) due to the location of the ceremony. Thank you
all for your assistance, Tryggvald Thorirson (Roy Baker)
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:15:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Terry Sikes <tdsikes at prodigy.net>
To: loch-ruadh at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] Seneschal sundries
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I just thought I would pass along a few items from the Fall Brawl meeting and from the Populace meeting for those that missed either.
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Populace 8/3/11
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I opened my first populace meeting with a request that we continue our push to find new members.? In the past few months we have lost several members and the impact on us as a small group is huge.? I'd like to call for us to strive to add three new members in the next year, to help build our numbers.? Our current temporary hospitaler, Cat, is being wonderfully proactive in finding and inviting visitors, and I'd like to ask everyone to give our visitors as much courtesy and attention as we can muster to keep them coming back.? In the future I will be pushing to have a new member mentoring project.
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I'd also like to push for all officers, me included, to seek deputies for their position.? I need a deputy seneschal and can recommend the position, as it has few responsibilities and can exempt you from other duties!? Contact an officer if you wish to serve as deputy.
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The Chronicler would like to remind you that the deadline for the Scarlet Letter is August 20th, and missives are needed from officers and about events, demos, and hospitaler activities.
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The Archery Marshal and Knight Marshal are planning a joint practice August 28th at 1 PM at Tegwared's.? If the temperature is too high to practice the practice will become an armor and archery workshop.
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The Exchequer reports that the NMS and profit split checks from Red Tape were sent and received, that we received a check from Gulf War for volunteer hours, and that the check for the Middlefaire site for Fall Brawl was issued and cashed.
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Fall Brawl event:
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Please submit recommendations for awards beginning now!? Don't wait until last minute or there may not be time to get them approved.
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The Populace official voted to title the Chivalric champion the "Bear of Loch Ruadh" in remembrance of Conor Mac Namara "Bear."??? Melanie has been inviting people on Facebook to the Fall Brawl event.? Shed load out for the event is scheduled for October 8, 10 AM and shed load IN will be October 22 at 10 AM.? Prize donations are still needed, please bring them to Fiona, or to any meeting for delivery to be stored by Fiona.? Silent Auction donations are to be brought to Cat or brought to site.
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It was voted to change the cloak for the Chivalric champion to a Baldric instead, which will be made by Bear's sister.? The replacement cloak for the Bardic Champion has been volunteered to be made by Lady Magge McPherson, with materials supplied by Loch Ruadh using funds voted on previously.? I have volunteered to provide a bardic staff and will be looking from materials to use.? It was suggested to change the Bardic Champion regalia to a favor, instead.? We will be looking for suggestions for the design of the favor.? The question was not voted on, but was tabled until the next Populace meeting to allow discussion.
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Polydore requested that we discuss visiting the Genghis Khan exhibit in Irving, and it will be circulated on the e-mail list for scheduling and organization.? A date of August 13th has been suggested.
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We are working on scheduling a trip to the Gulf War site to set the standing stones, but need those able to attend to come forward to schedule the trip.? The intended trip date is September 2nd-5th.
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Thanks,
Terrence
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 21:57:39 +0000
From: "Roy Baker" <palehorse at mail.com>
To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc."
<loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship
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Good analysis. My thoughts based upon this;
The ship is only going to be about 4' in length. More than that may cause heat issues at the location.
That being said, if we use the cardboard grain to our advantage, thos compound curves may actually be easier
cutting across grain. Of the 3 designs that you had links to, I believe the middle (knarplann) one would lend itself
as the best for this particular task.
I do like the idea of possibly using the luan as the rib/keel framework.
Input? Thoughts?
~Trygg
----- Original Message -----
From: Sluggy!
Sent: 08/08/11 02:14 PM
To: Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc.
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship
In my experience (For three years, I was a builder/crewperson for a previous employer's entries in the Cardboard Boat Regatta competition in Arlington http://www.arlingtonvibe.org/2010/07/river-legacy-cardboard-boat-regatta-2010/ I wont say that *I* was responsible for various rule changes, but it's fair to say that our team was, um, part of the problem they have attempted to solve the some of the current rules).... where was I? Oh, yes, in my experience, cardboard can indeed make surprisingly decent boats, especially boats with only one journey to make. Working with cardboard has it's frustrations, though. Probably the biggest is that the corrugations give it a "grain" that makes it tend to crease when you intended for it to bend. Once bent, it will tend to always bend in the same spot. Much of the inherent strength of carboard depends on flat panels and straight bends and seams. A traditional longship design will need long planks with compound curves
and cardboard doesn't
do that particularly well. It is, however, very hard to argue against it in terms of price and availability, at least in small quantities, and paint can fix a LOT of visual issues. For our purposes, the potential flammability is an asset, as well. Sluggy! ________________________________ From: William Osterheim <wosterheim at yahoo.com> To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc." <loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org> Sent: Sun, August 7, 2011 4:32:32 PM Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship I wold think it would be easier to use cardboard, with a wooden keel and framework. It is a lot more flexable. Polydore ________________________________ From: Roy Baker <palehorse at mail.com> To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc." <loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org> Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship OK,..I've been going over these & have a question. Would it be easier to use cardboard or the 1/8 luan
plywood? Trygg ----- Ori
ginal Message ----- From: Sluggy! Sent: 07/11/11 10:59 PM To: Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc. Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship I do indeed have 1/8" luan... A full 4x8 sheet *plus* the partial sheet. It is all, of course, to gladly be given for this project, as is any other skill, tool or love I hold steward over. Sluggy! ----- Original Message ---- From: Sluggy! <sluggy9912 at swbell.net> To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc." <loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org> Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 11:53:20 PM Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship I have 1/8" luan plywood, but I need to see how much I have... I think it's around a 4x4 sheet, not really square, but about that much. Will let ya know... Sluggy! ----- Original Message ---- From: William Osterheim <wosterheim at yahoo.com> To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc." <loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org> Sent: Sat, July 9, 2011 1:41:23 AM Subject: Re:
[Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship
Actual plans, no... but if memory is right, I think the 8 foot one Hakon led us in building 15 years ago used 4" strips of 1/4" plywood for the sides, so I would think abotu 2 or 2.5 inch side strips of 1/8" luan plywood would work. If you get them too wide, you cannot bend them around correctly. Probably on that size, Get some 1" stock to make the keel and bow and stern out of. It will need to be wider than you might think to start it up for the end curves. Polydore ________________________________ From: Roy Baker <palehorse at mail.com> To: loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org Sent: Fri, July 8, 2011 11:13:41 PM Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] Funeral Ship Will be building a small scale viking funeral ship in honor of my departed brother Hakon. Does anyone have the plans or access to one for this project? If so, please contact me ASAP. This will be a very small build (No more that 3-4 ft in length) due to the location of the ceremony. Thank you all for your
assistance, Tryggvald Thorirson (
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 16:35:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jacklyn Crisp <jcrisp415 at yahoo.com>
To: " Kingdom of Ansteorra SCA Inc.Shire of Loch Ruadh"
<loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] As many.........
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Lady Gwen, Congratulations!
?
Rose
?Jacky
Jacklyn Crisp
Relay For Life of Fort Worth
Fundraising Chair
cell 817-688-3652
jcrisp415 at yahoo.com
"Life may not be the party for which we hoped, but while we are here we might as well Dance."
Celebrate, Remember and Fight Back!!
www.relayforlife.org/fortworthtx
--- On Sun, 8/7/11, Terry Sikes <tdsikes at prodigy.net> wrote:
From: Terry Sikes <tdsikes at prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] As many.........
To: " Kingdom of Ansteorra SCA Inc.Shire of Loch Ruadh" <loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 10:26 PM
Most excellent!? Vivat!
Terrence
--- On Sun, 8/7/11, Julie Self <julie_self at hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Julie Self <julie_self at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] As many.........
To: "Loch Ruadh" <loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 4:20 PM
.......of you know, Gimli has begun holding Kragenworth Keep bardic at his home, with our blessing.? Well, last night was the first competition for passing of the cloak and staff and the sneaky attendees got their heads together and surprised ME with the cloak and staff, for which I am still VERY AMAZED!? Thank you so much!? I promise to continue to promote and support the bardic arts as much as I possibly can. With much love!? Gwenllian Brighid Hertewelle
Loch Ruadh Rocks!
Beam me sideways, Scottie. These people don't know which way is up!
??? ???????? ?????? ??? ?
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:03:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Donna Wallis <sca004 at sbcglobal.net>
To: "Shire of Loch Ruadh, Kingdom of Ansteorra, SCA, Inc."
<loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] As many.........
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Thank you, it will be an honor to be of service to you.
*??*:.(?`'.? Dana ?.'??) .:*??*
Life is not about waiting for the storms to pass... It's about learning how to
dance in the rain.
________________________________
From: Jacklyn Crisp <jcrisp415 at yahoo.com>
To: Kingdom of Ansteorra SCA Inc.Shire of Loch Ruadh
<loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Mon, August 8, 2011 6:35:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] As many.........
Lady Gwen, Congratulations!
Rose
Jacky
Jacklyn Crisp
Relay For Life of Fort Worth
Fundraising Chair
cell 817-688-3652
jcrisp415 at yahoo.com
"Life may not be the party for which we hoped, but while we are here we might as
well Dance."
Celebrate, Remember and Fight Back!!
www.relayforlife.org/fortworthtx
--- On Sun, 8/7/11, Terry Sikes <tdsikes at prodigy.net> wrote:
From: Terry Sikes <tdsikes at prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: [Loch-Ruadh] As many.........
To: " Kingdom of Ansteorra SCA Inc.Shire of Loch Ruadh"
<loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 10:26 PM
Most excellent! Vivat!
Terrence
--- On Sun, 8/7/11, Julie Self <julie_self at hotmail.com> wrote:
From: Julie Self <julie_self at hotmail.com>
Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] As many.........
To: "Loch Ruadh" <loch-ruadh at lists.ansteorra.org>
Date: Sunday, August 7, 2011, 4:20 PM
.......of you know, Gimli has begun holding Kragenworth Keep bardic at his home,
with our blessing. Well, last night was the first competition for passing of
the cloak and staff and the sneaky attendees got their heads together and
surprised ME with the cloak and staff, for which I am still VERY AMAZED! Thank
you so much! I promise to continue to promote and support the bardic arts as
much as I possibly can. With much love! Gwenllian Brighid Hertewelle
Loch Ruadh Rocks!
Beam me sideways, Scottie. These people don't know which way is up!
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