[Namron] Re: Scathach

[Deidru nicTait]

Scott Barrett <barrett1 at cox.net> wrote:
I'm not sure how reliable this info is, but here goes...I have read in 2 Irish surname books and on several geneology websites, that the precursor Fitz in a surname often indicated a child that was recognized by the father has his, but born out of wedlock, such as FitzGrey, meaning bastard child of Grey. If the child had been born in wedlock his name generally would have been MacGrey, McGrey or even O'Grey. 
I did a search on internet explorer, out+of+wedlock+irish+surnames (the + signs means that each word must be in the webpage for it pull up on a search) and came up with quite a few geneology websites, the books I found in my local library with the help of a librarian.

Deidru

On Friday, May 20, 2005, at 11:42 AM, el2iot2 at mail.com wrote:

> What would happen if the child was born "out of wedlock". there 
> wouldn't really be a Patrinymic to use, as the father may not be known 
> or acknowledged. Are there period examples to illistrate this 
> situation? did the mother just make one up?
>
> joy
> Radei
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Barrett" 
> To: "Barony of Namron" 
> Subject: Re: [Namron] Re: Scathach
> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:56:32 -0500
>
>>
>> Oh it happened, but was extremely rare and apparently there is no
>> known example before 1200 AD.
>> One I found was Bonner, which was Matronymic, but also was very
>> late period and had Scottish influence. In fact, I even found a
>> letter of SCA heraldic commentary wherein someone tried "daughter
>> of Fhionnaghula" and it bounced.
>> Google Irish Matronymics and you should see plenty of stuff.
>>
>> Finnacan Dub (pronounced Finnegan Duff)
>>
>> On Thursday, May 19, 2005, at 10:32 AM, Foster, Shadow ((HSC)) wrote:
>>
>>> I remember reading somewhere that there were circumstances where
>>> the mother's line, rather than the father's was used. Somewhere
>>> in the site does research that is more stringent than the SCA.
>>> Does this ring a bell for anyone else?
>>> Shadow
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> You would reference the father's name, not the mothers.
>>> Ireland had more rights for women under Brehon law when compared to
>>> most any other country in that timeframe, but the patriach was still
>>> remembered in the name. If the father was Fionn, you, being a lady,
>>> would be Ua Fionn (O' Finn).
>>> Otherwise, give yourself a qualifier that is self-descriptive.
>>>
>>> ~Finnacan Dub (pronounced Finnegan Duff)
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 19, 2005, at 09:16 AM, Foster, Shadow ((HSC)) wrote:
>>>
>>>> So how would Scathach, daughter of Fionnaghula, be used as a name?
>>>> Shadow
>>>
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