<DIV>You know, I'd love to see the list go three months w/o a fight.</DIV>
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<DIV>Someone expressed displeasue with others' actions. Others expressed displeasure with their displeasure. And even more others expressed their justification of said displeasing actions and displeasure. Some are combinations of those. Hopefully, since we've all expressed our displeasure with a few of the things that we can't really change (i.e., others opinions, actions, and how they express them), we can move on and focus on what we can do personally to rectify what we see as a problem.</DIV>
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<DIV>Don't get me wrong, I'm not anyone's boss and I certainly don't have the right (nor the want) to censor anyone, but it would just be really nice if we could all go three months w/o fighting on the list.</DIV>
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<DIV>On the other hand, if it's gotta be hashed out on the list, so be it... I'll just deal with what I don't like since this is a public list...<BR><BR></DIV><B><I></I></B>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Greetings,<BR><BR>With all due respect, Michael, I believe Hatur is simply responding to the<BR>insult launched at Namron in general and Skaargard in particular. I believe<BR>Salerna's post started:<BR>>>Rose, we are working on this "catalogue" of which you speak, however it is<BR>being met with laziness, forgetfulness, or down-right apathy in that, on the<BR><BR>>>skarrgard end after soliciting both namron and skarrgard, i have only<BR>received about 4 responses for it....<BR><BR>I'm rather disappointed that every person who did not drop what they were<BR>doing and sign up to be a certified mentor is being branded in this<BR>fashion...and that brand is quite false. I am one of those "people in the<BR>barony...who must've done something right to have all these beautiful<BR>awards...." Frankly, I don't see the need to establish some NEW regimental<BR>program or organization
to license and recognize people for what they<BR>already do. Instead, I would expect the Hospitaller to come to know what's<BR>going on in their group which is related to their job...and let the other<BR>officers perform their duties as well, i.e., A&S, Herald, Marshal, and so<BR>on.<BR><BR>I'm not opposed to mentoring but comments such as:<BR>>>I am sure when others see you doing it [participating in the mentoring<BR>program], they will think "hey this isnt so hard, why didn't I volunteer as <BR>>>well? oh, wait, I've already got my awards and word fame so i don't need<BR>to earn anything anymore...."<BR><BR>Those words were just downright insulting...it was an insult to every person<BR>with an award...and the basis for the insult was that people did not<BR>volunteer for the mentoring program. Personally, I know of many people in<BR>the Barony who have worked to help folks feel more at ease in the SCA. From<BR>time to time, we need to remember to work a little
harder for the<BR>newcomers--you normally only get one chance. But this proposed program is<BR>not a panacea, and individuals in the SCA will volunteer as they see<BR>fit--and when they see fit.<BR><BR>In closing, I would add a few comments (and step off my soapbox):<BR>To everyone, treat our newcomers with love and respect--we were all<BR>there once;<BR>To folks who have time and energy and specific interest, be a<BR>mentor--the Hospitallers are calling;<BR>To Salerna, look a little closer next time--insults are not soon<BR>forgotten;<BR>To folks who are already mentors, Huzzah!<BR><BR>Regards,<BR>Tadhg<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: namron-bounces+tadhg=ou.edu@ansteorra.org<BR>[mailto:namron-bounces+tadhg=ou.edu@ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of mikea<BR>Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 6:47 AM<BR>To: Barony of Namron<BR>Subject: Re: [Namron] Re: Hosp. Comments<BR><BR><BR>On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 04:26:00AM -0800, terry wasson wrote:<BR>> Greetings Just my comment to the
list about newbies.<BR><BR>> Hosp. comments about the people of Skarrgard being<BR>> lazy, forgettful, apathetic are not true.<BR>> I have seen many newcomers being taken under wings<BR>> and helped , to find their interest.<BR>> Heavy fighters being taught, Light fighters being<BR>> taught by people who do this kind of stuff.<BR>> A&S is now filled and I will start organizing other<BR>> interest for those who do not fight.<BR><BR>> So sorry some of us are filled with doing and not<BR>> looking to lay a blame on others.<BR><BR>> If you have so much free time on your hands then<BR>> work on your project that much more.<BR>> You will be recognized for it, instead of complaining<BR>> about it. Because you will be recognized for the<BR>> remarks you make to and or about your group.<BR><BR>> Please stop the negative remarks .<BR>> Hatur/Terry<BR><BR>(blank lines inserted in Hatur's message to improve readability)<BR><BR>So you'd have
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