<P>Remember. the mother of Our lord, Jesus Christ was an unwed teenage mother.</P>
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<P>although he had the benifit of Josheph</P>
<P>joy</P>
<P>Radei<BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Deidru nicTait" <LADYDEIDRU@YAHOO.COM><BR>To: "Barony of Namron" <NAMRON@ANSTEORRA.ORG><BR>Subject: Re: [Namron] Re: Scathach<BR>Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 22:59:14 -0700 (PDT)<BR><BR></P>
<DIV>Yes, all the sources I found did occur after the Norman conquest....I'm assuming if the woman didn't know the father or he didn't want to be acknowledged as the father, her most likely course of action would be to find another man, quickly!!! ;) Kinda hard back then to be a single mother, both socially and economically. {Still tough today!}</DIV>
<DIV>Deidru<BR><BR><B><I>Scott Barrett <barrett1@cox.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Cool. I've never known much about later naming practices and always <BR>found "Fitz" to be found mostly after the Norman Conquest, though I <BR>imagine it happened before that time.<BR>Period, just not something I ever looked into.<BR>It makes sense, what with Normans wanting to recognize children born in <BR>Ireland that may not have a pure Norman lineage. It explains all those <BR>FitzRoys, FitzPatricks and FitzGeralds.<BR>Lots of people interested in this topic...<BR>Is anyone grabbing "Irish Names" by Donnchadh O'Corrain by using <BR>Inter-library loan? Has anyone called Tadgh yet to see if his copy is <BR>available for research?<BR>BTW, Deidru, multiple sources like books and websites repeating the <BR>same information AND quoting their sources can be considered a <BR>reasonable body of documentation. I'm going to start pointing at you in <BR>public now, and telling peop! le you know how to gather information.<BR><BR>~Finnacan Dub (pronounced Finnegan Duff)<BR><BR>On Friday, May 20, 2005, at 05:37 PM, Deidru nicTait wrote:<BR><BR>> I'm not sure how reliable this info is, but here goes...I have read in <BR>> 2 Irish surname books and on several geneology websites, that the <BR>> precursor Fitz in a surname often indicated a child that was <BR>> recognized by the father has his, but born out of wedlock, such as <BR>> FitzGrey, meaning bastard child of Grey. If the child had been born in <BR>> wedlock his name generally would have been MacGrey, McGrey or even <BR>> O'Grey.<BR>> I did a search on internet explorer, out+of+wedlock+irish+surnames <BR>> (the + signs means that each word must be in the webpage for it pull <BR>> up on a search) and came up with quite a few geneology websites, the <BR>> books I found in my local library with the help of a librarian.<BR>><BR>> Deidru<BR>><BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Namron mailing list<BR>Namron@ansteorra.org<BR>http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/namron<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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