Note to all.  the following e-mail contains profanity, it seems sopme people do not know how to behave in an adult manner.


1) Had you stated you OPINION as a Thesis, you would have failed.

2) Psycological terrorism is still terrorism, but it is usually not Violent

3) Only the small minded resort to profanity to make a point.  

4) Natural gas<either piped or from a fisure in the ground can cause multiple and almost instant explosions in multible sites.

5) Just becuase someone claims responsibilty for an act, does not mean they planned it.  

6) Internet web-pages often incorrect.  And may post diliberate FALSEHOODs in order to achive a political goal. 

7) I too went to college.

8) DO NOT THREATEN ME AGAIN, THAT IS NOT WITHIN YOUR RIGHTS.  If you can or will not accept that your opinion is NOT FACT then it is your problem

9) DO NOT E-MAIL ME OFF-LIST AGAIN.  YOU ARE OBVIOUSLY NOT ABLE TO SEPERATE FACT FROM YOUR OWN SUPPOSITION. 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue Clemenger" <mooncat@in-tch.com>
To: el2iot2@mail.com
Subject: Re: Ant: [HNW] Everyone in London okay?
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:27:34 -0600

> 
> FACT: There were 4 explosions, 3 almost simultaneous, in London this week.
> FACT:  A website tentatively linked to an Al-Quaida group was claiming
> responsibility for said explosions.
> FACT:  Many people died or were seriously injured.
> PREMISE:  Explosions deliberately set to injure, harm, or frighten
> people are an act of violence.
> FACT:  Acts of terrorism, throughout history, have been violent.  (This
> is not a rumor, or gossip, or paranoia.  I studied it.  I even graduated
> from a respectable college with a degree in history.) While not all 
> violence is terrorism, I defy you to find a *single* example of 
> terrorism that isn't violent.
> FACT:  You seem to be making enormous assumptions about my politics 
> and my reasons for referring to the London bombings as terrorism.  
> You are
> almost certainly in error.  An act of terrorism is an act of 
> terrorism, regardless of the color of the skin of perpetrators or 
> victims, or their gender, or their ethnicity, or their religion, or 
> their sexual orientation.  Or their national identity.  Individuals 
> can be terrorists, groups can be terrorists, hell, even governments 
> can (and do) perpetrate acts of terrorism.  And they do it for all 
> kinds of different reasons, some of which I can understand, some 
> not, but none of which can I condone.
> FACT:  My referring to the London bombings was not a "random 
> guess."  I was not repeating gossip.  I was commenting on 
> information I'd received from a variety of noteworthy, responsible 
> and reliable sources.  I didn't have to be standing in the subway 
> entrance, or next to the shattered double-decker bus, to have *some 
> clue* that something violent had occured, and that it could NOT be 
> accidental.
> FACT:  I'm actually more than 2000 miles from London.  What's your 
> point? How far away were you? The moon?
> QUESTION:  Just who the fuck do you think you are? Why are you 
> coming off as so desperate to make some stupid point about the 
> definition of a word when people died, for crying out loud? Why are 
> you continuing to attack a complete stranger over a word?
> SUGGESTION:  Get a life.  I know I have one (that's a FACT not a 
> RUMOR), and I have better things to do than argue with some 
> internet troll.
> --sue
> 
> el2iot2@mail.com wrote:
> 
> > Logic is based on FACT not on a random guess.  You are spreading
> > gossip and paranoia, NOT FACT.  The Truth is Wisdom, a guess is Not
> > Logic, nor is it news.  Get the Facts, then state you opinon.  not
> > state your opinion and then get the facts<Logic does not allow for
> > the former>. 2000 miles from the source, and befor the investigation,
> > you do not have FACTS.
> >
> > If you are offended by someone challangeing your OPINION when you do
> > not have the FACTS, then the problem is your delivery.  The FACTS may
> > prove YOU to be correct, but LOGICAL NO you are not.
> >
> > joy radei ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger"
> > <mooncat@in-tch.com> To: el2iot2@mail.com Subject: Re: Ant: [HNW]
> > Everyone in London okay? Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 20:30:59 -0600
> >
> >
> >> I'm not paranoid, I'm logical. If I were paranoid, I'd be assuming
> >> that you were being deliberately rude to me with the "AssUMe"
> >> tidbit.  (yeah, I get it. har-de-har-har.)  But being logical, I'm
> >> going to go with the idea that you're just trying to be cute (or
> >> something). So 'scuze the hell out of me, but saying (or
> >> intimating) that bombings like those could be anything but acts of
> >> war or terrorism goes far beyond naive. --sue
> >>
> >> el2iot2@mail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Informed or otherwise, you know what they say about when you
> >>> AssUMe.....
> >>>
> >>> but to wait for the facts.  guesses just make for paranoia...
> >>>
> >>> joy radei ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Clemenger"
> >>> <mooncat@in-tch.com> To: "Historic Needlework"
> >>> <h-needlework@ansteorra.org> Subject: Re: Ant:  [HNW] Everyone in
> >>> London okay? Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 08:33:25 -0600
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Well, actually, I didn't specify a group or groups.  I simply 
> >>>> made the informed assumption that coordinated explosions of
> >>>> this nature could hardly be accidental, so they must have been
> >>>>  purposeful, and I can't think of any anonymous violence of
> >>>> that scale and level of coordination that hasn't proven (either
> >>>>  historically or more recently) to be of some sort of political
> >>>>  or religious nature, done with the intent to disrupt and cause
> >>>>  fear, which is a pretty good off-the-cuff definition of 
> >>>> terrorism, in my book. --sue
> >>>>
> >>>> Anna von Silvenhain wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> not wanting to be political, but at the moment it is not
> >>>>> certain, _who_ did it and why it did happen. You can only
> >>>>> guess.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> untill now all of our members in London are fine, I'll tell,
> >>>>> If I know more.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> greetings from Germany, Anna
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --- Sue Clemenger <mooncat@in-tch.com> schrieb:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I was horrified to read in the news this morning that some
> >>>>>> damned terrorist group was setting off bombs in London today,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________ H-needlework
> >>>> mailing list H-needlework@ansteorra.org 
> >>>> http://www.ansteorra.org/mailman/listinfo/h-needlework
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> joy
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > joy
> >
> >



joy


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