NR - Griffin, for want of a standard spelling...

[Susan O'Neal]

At 11:54 AM 9/14/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Quoting Susan O'Neal <catmafia at swbell.net>:
> > ...in other than the Cherokee?  Other than rising from
> > ruin, what symbolism does it have?
>
>I don't know.  What do the Cherokees see it as?

The imagery I remember, and this is more an impression from childhood, is 
of the nation destroyed and the pheonix rising from the ashes to live 
again.  It was used in the Trail of Tears drama they had when I was a kid, 
but it has been rewritten a few times since.  In looking at the websites 
that Katrianna sent, it seems that the Thunderbird is another 
representative of the pheonix.  It also mentioned that the Thunderbird had 
many other birds associated with it.  It the includes both the concept of 
thunder and bird and is definatly both a representative of the area and the 
many groups that are in the the SCA.  Also, isn't the lake where Beltain is 
held called Thunderbird?  The orrigional newspaper of the Cherokee was the 
Poenix, back in the 1820's, I think.  Muskogee now has a paper by that 
name.  I hunted the web for more specific stuff on the Pheonix, but didn't 
find anything, too many links were showing up with the newspapers.  I will 
check the next time I'm in Tahlequah.

>You know, it might be an interesting nod back to the old
>Atenveldt roots...

Oooh, tell us more Marc.  I love finding out the history of groups, as well 
as the greater humanity.  (Ok, I am slow here, is this just a comment on 
the city of Phoenix or more than that?)

Susan

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