[NR] New List...I disagree...no wait now I agree

[Angus Mac]

you got this one right on the head...
damnit it is more fun to be misunderstood

ANGUS TARd
--- Marc Carlson <marc-carlson at utulsa.edu> wrote:
> I've been giving this some thought, and I -think- I
> understand
> what Sir Burke is trying to do, and what Angus is
> referring to.
> In Angus's case, and I am confident that he will
> explain to me
> where
> I'm wrong if I am, I expect that he is referring to
> the (very
> real)
> pressure that can be placed on people when they do
> not hold the
> majority opinion (come to think of it, I believe I
> was discussing
> this here just before the late turmoil erupted).  I
> can easily
> see
> him bring up an opinion that goes against the grain
> of many in
> the
> group -- and feel pressured to keep silent (over the
> years, I've
> known many who've felt that in different
> circumstances in the SCA
> - even myself a time or two (no, really, it's
> true)).
>
> I'm certain that Sir Burke has felt this a time or
> two himself,
> and while it may not be that this is the case for
> him at this
> time
> -- it's easy to see that since the informal poll was
> taken, it
> may
> be felt that this is not the best time to try and
> encourage a
> sense
> of Northern identity.  During the late discussions
> on the whole
> principality issue, there were clearly some emotions
> expressed
> that
> the North had no separate identity from the Kingdom,
> or if people
> saw that it was due to some fallacious
> Texas/Oklahoma rivalry.
>
> Personally, I do feel that, "red river rivalry" and
> questions of
> Principality aside, there is a slightly different
> identity in the
> North than there is in the far South.  As I stated
> some time ago,
> I don't care one way or another about Principality,
> but I do
> think
> we should try to encourage that Northern identity.
> Without a
> distinct regional identity, certainly the
> Principality issue will
> continue as it has in the past 20 years -- something
> to talk
> about
> but never to come to pass.
>
> Ok, is this quest for a Northern Regional identity
> appropriate
> for discussion on the Northern Regional list, as has
> been
> suggested?
> I'd say yes, of course it is.  But because of the
> disagreements
> in
> the recent past, I can see that it may be a topic
> that people
> (other
> than myself :) ) are not going to be inclined to
> bring up here.
> That's not the fault of Pug, or Debbie, and it may
> not even be a
> situation in which "fault" can or should be
> ascribed.  It just
> is.
>
> So, is it necessary to have a separate list?  I'd
> say no --
> although
> I have already signed up for it, since it's been
> established, and
> I
>  might be wrong.  I've already been asked by some if
> this won't
> actually increase the divisiveness in the North, and
> all I can
> say
> is maybe yes, maybe no.  If so, I'll be sorry to see
> that.  I
> hope
> that we can be adult enough to avoid it.
>
> There are apparently people here who don't feel that
> the Northern
> identity needs encouragement.  They may be right.
> Is it fair to
> them to make them have to endure discussions that
> they aren't
> likely to be interested in?  Is it right to force an
> Ansteorran
> regional list to endure discussions that may or may
> not be
> directly
> germane to people whose principle focus is the
> Kingdom?  I don't
> know.  I think so, but I may not be the best person
> to gauge
> that.
>
> I've run a number of lists now, and experience tells
> me that if
> Sir Burke is mistaken, and such a list is not
> necessary, that
> list
> will die from lack of use.  If he is NOT mistaken,
> and people are
> just put off discussing these things here, but there
> is still a
> need to discuss it, then that list will thrive.
>
> Marc/Diarmaid
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