[NR] comments on Western region problem

[KEYNA]

I agree 100%. Well check caporal section 3.E. Basically Crown can shut down
a group for failure to meet qualifications or for other just cause and that
has to be in writing for the members involved.
Keyna


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Subject: [NR] comments on Western region problem

Dear people Greetings from Duchess Willow de Wisp

I have been told that a "good peer" only choice when they see something
"unfair" done by the Crown is to remove them self from the Kingdom and be
quiet and say nothing. It has also come to me by a third party that what I
do in the next week will decide if  I am banished. Part of being a Peer is
telling the truth even if it means you will die. This is what I feel about
this action of dissolving the Western region. I am drafting a official
letter but I think I made my feelings clear to the Prince and officers
present at the Meeting.

All people in Ansteorra need to take warning. The way this was done is bad
precedent. The way the BOD works is if something is done in a Kingdom and
their is no problems with it it stands as a Custom and tradition and if
latter if people protest  they uphold the action as a custom. I do not want
this process to be Ansteorra "custom"

The first thing is the "populace" of the West were not fully informed that
this was happening. Warnings were sent to the officers . Sometimes warnings
for over five years. These were sent by the bureaucratic pathways. Problems
with the officers were one of the major problems. Senting information
through them doesn't seem the best option. I know in the past groups with
problems would be visited by committee  usually a group of Dukes and told
that they had a problem and they needed to solve it. This way the people in
the group could get together and "fixed" their problems. 

Right now I am disfranchised from my local group, but it I heard it was
having problems. especially with finding acceptable officers my whole family
would come back and offer to help. If the problem had been clearly stated to
the people in the West I believe some of the old members would have returned
and helps. 

Second.Groups that have following all the Kingdom guild lines and laws are
being disbanded and a group that is having problems is being kept. If the
Kingdom rules are being changed then the changes  need to be published and
groups need to be given a chance to update. 

One of the statements made by the officers were the groups were just trading
offices around. If this is a reason for a group to be disbanded even if it
has it numbers then many groups in the Kingdom might be trouble. Also they
said they did not have acceptable replacement and deputies. Again I know of
Baronies that did not have deputies for all their officers. Also the word
"acceptable" seem a little vague. Think one of the groups being disbanded
has all its officers and deputies. Are they being disbanded for lack of
"acceptable" replacement. The way this rule is being used could be used on
many of our groups at any time.. I do not believe that the current officers
are misusing this policy but  what about officers in the future if this
becomes "custom". 

Three- The Crown and the officers supposedly "looked" at all options and
this was the only one that worked. The people are supposed to accept this on
faith. The Crown and the officers have not taken the time to explain to the
people why other solution would not work. I think the people of the West
should have the right to be part of the decision progress that chose the
solution and have the right to understand why this is the only solution. I
don't want to say something negative about the Crown and the Officers, but
they might of overlooked something that might make the Western people
happier. At least they might had felt they were important to the Kingdom. I
realize that the Baron of Bonwick was part of the decsion but it was
possible that he was influence by the needs of Bonwick. Other groups needed
to have their own representatives to have the process seem fair. 

Four- Lastly I believe that before something this radical is done to the
Kingdom every resource of the Kingdom should have been applied to help these
people. The Western Region has been left alone and very few Peers and Nobles
have gone to help them. I know in the last year they have had some demos and
other recruiting activities. If I known of the dire nature of the problem I
would had gone to the West to help them. I am sure that many of the citizens
of Ansteorra would had tried to help them. Their problems of lack of members
and lack of volunteers for officers is a Kingdom problem maybe all of us
need to be brainstorming to come up with solutions. Getting the Peers,
Nobles and people of Ansteorra to help might not have changed anything, but
the People of the West would had known that we care and would not be feeling
as alone. 

I am hoping that this decision could be slowed down and the West be given
the full support of the Kingdom and the Spring to bring up their numbers and
find the officers they need. After that they be given all the information
and be allowed to generate some solutions of their own. If the Crown and
Officers are correct then this solution is the only one then they will
probably come up with it, but they would understand it. 

As a process I would like clear cut steps to laid out before this kind of
action is taken. I want this for the West, but I would also like this for my
local groups because we are all facing dieniding numbers. I have worked to
hard for my local groups to have a few officers and the Crown to make
decision in secret and just inform me I have no options. 

Duchess Willow de Wisp 

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