[NR] Northern name--ownership question

[Etienne de St. Amaranth]

I would still recommend getting a registrable name (if that becomes the decision and a name is agreed upon and the kingdom and Crown agree to bestow a name).

For example, let's say that the region decided to use Snugglevania (or whatever) but we didn't register it.  Then a new group starts up in Calontir or Gleann Abhann and they like our name; so they register it and effectively take it away from us.  Or register something in another language that effectively means the same thing; and effectively take it away.  Or some new group in Drachenwald who have never heard of our region register something too close.

Also, once registered it becomes less subject to whim.  Region boundaries exist at the whim and discretion of the Crown and Kingdom Seneschal.  Not only could boundaries change but whether one Crown would allow region names and another dislikes the whole concept.  At least if it is registered, it exists (whether used or not) and that may make it slightly less susceptable to whim.

So, if this process ends up with a desired name, I would highly recommend registering it as a heraldic title or some similar form.

Respectfully,
Sent from my iPhone,

Etienne

On Sep 30, 2010, at 3:21 PM, Kevinkeary <kevinkeary at aol.com> wrote:

> Ah, then my initial position still stands. Were we the Northern Region of Ansteorra to select a regional name, our choices would be to use it without registration or to petition the Crown to register it under whatever definition They saw fit, and allocate it for our use as an identifying label. A petition that They, of course, being the Crown, might honor, ignore or denounce as They will.
> 
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> Kevin
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennifer Smith <jds at randomgang.com>
> To: Northern Region of Ansteorra - SCA, Inc. <northern at lists.ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 3:12 pm
> Subject: Re: [NR] Northern name--ownership question
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> Yes; prior to about 1985 or so, name registrations were VERY
> and-waved, and sometimes not even noted as separate events on a LoAR
> hen registered at the same time as a device.  In fact, the last
> ention of "region of" that I could find was a return in July 1991:
> Avacal, Region of. Device. Quarterly argent and Or, a griffin segreant
> aintaining a sword and arrow gules, the sword environed of a laurel
> reath vert.
> he name is registered as a herald's title to the kingdom of An Tir.
> o paperwork was received for a designator change. While in the past
> rms have been registered to the regions of Ansteorra and Calontir, a
> umber of commentors questioned whether this is a precedent we should
> till follow. In a discussion with the Chairman of the Board of
> irectors, she recommended against the registration of the names and
> rmory of regions. Might we suggest that the region send in the
> aperwork for a change in status to that of principality?
> And that, I suppose, is that.
> -Emma
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> n Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Kevinkeary <kevinkeary at aol.com> wrote:
> Have the rules changed, then, since the names Calontir and Oertha were first 
> egistered? Both were registered to their kingdoms, of course, but both were 
> egistered as REGION names to start with.
> 
> 
> Kevin, being a pesky student
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