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From: "Walter Robin" <aborman at brightok.net>
To: <northern at ansteorra.org>
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Subject: Re: NR - Drawing vs. Raffle
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 16:11:23 -0600
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The law does not seem to make that distinction, defining a lottery thus:

"A lottery is any scheme for the disposal or distribution of property by
chance among persons who have paid...any valuable
consideration for the chance of obtaining such property...upon any
...expectation that it is to be distributed...by ...chance,
whether called a lottery, a raffle, or a gift enterprise, or by whatever
name the same may be known. "

http://oklegal.onenet.net/oklegal-cgi/isearch  (Section 21-1051)

When the United Way fund-raiser organizers at my workplace looked at this
several years ago, they determined that introducing an
element of skill made it no longer a lottery...that is, you COULD run a
carnival game, where the prize was a ticket in a drawing.

So they put up a dart board, and IF you hit it, you got a ticket for the
drawing in whichever area you hit....

Unfortunately, I don't know if they consulted with a lawyer or the AG's
office, or what.

Ld Walter Robin,
Seneschal, Mooneschadowe
http://plumes.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pug Bainter" <pug at pug.net>
To: <northern at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: NR - Drawing vs. Raffle


>
> Good Morning,
>
>   Okay let me re-write this a bit since words were changed in the middle
>   of it in order to make them seem less the same.
>
>   A raffle has a person buying a ticket in order to win a possible prise.
>   The money goes towards "something", which *could* be a "worthy cause".
>   The prise may be donated or bought with the proceeds.
>
>   A donation-drawing has a person buying a ticket in order to win a
>   possible prise. The money goes towards a "worthy cause". The prise
>   may be donated but not bought with the proceeds.
>
>   So in our situation the only thing saving us is *if* the prise is
>   donated and not bought with SCA funds. That's awefully damn similar.
>
> > This may seem like we are splitting
> > legal hairs, but it is the way things work in Oklahoma and how a lot of
> > churches and schools often raise money.
>
>   You're right that it seems like splitting legal hairs. It's not a
>   situation *I*'d be comfortable being in.
>
> Ciao,
>
> --
> Phelim "Pug" Gervase   | "I want to be called. COTTONTIPS. There is
something
> Bryn Gwlad - Ansteorra |  graceful about that lady. A young woman
bursting with
> Dark Horde Moritu      |  vigor. She blinked at the sudden light. She
writes
> pug at pug.net            |  beautiful poems. When ever shall we meet
again?"
>   Note: The views do not reflect the SCA nor the Kingdom of Ansteorra.





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