Oh, one caveat to all this -- if someone asserts they are being authentic or accurate, and are not, then they will hear from me. But that's a separate issue from the rest of this, and is a personal problem of mine. Marc/Diarmaid It is a personal problem of mine also. We learn in the SCA by sharing with others. While I do not believe that we need written documentation for everything we do and wear we need to know if it is proper or not. If we claim something is period and it is not others may be lead astray and get into trouble. A Master of the Laurel told me once that Gilligan's island was a period tune. I believed him and for 15 years used it as an example of a period tune that had too much modern favor. He then told me he was BSing. The way I wear my belts on my dresses is wrong. When I started the research allowed it but now further knowledge has made it questionable. I tell people that I am in a gray area when I talk about costuming. I am thinking about getting a T- shirt that says "I am not a costuming Laurel." We need to understand there is a lot of bad research out there and you or the person that you are talking to may just be wrong because the research is wrong. I think we need to talk more about good and bad reference books. Willow de Wisp ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!