To add to Caius fine words. I remember a certain famous Ragnar who made a point of giving young gentlemen fine tunics as largess for heroic effort on and off the field. I know several ladies, one be Countess Regina that makes a point of making outfits and gifting them as largess to new comers to the kingdom. They made such gifts part of their personas. Duchess Willow de Wisp ________________________________________________________________________ Try Juno Platinum for Free! Then, only $9.95/month! Unlimited Internet Access with 1GB of Email Storage. Visit http://www.juno.com/value to sign up today!