[Northkeep] Was Heraldic Question

[Derek Wilson]

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Weren't so much talking about recorded "pagan" religions so much as
non-catholic I think. The Crusades pretty much found plenty of Islamics to
bring the light to in one fashion or another in europe. And of course the
split between the Greek orthodox and catholics was not one you advertised
openly if you lived in the others territory. So while the "underground
religion" of wicca and the church of the ray of light at the 4th fork in the
river stuff is pretty much based on conjecture. There were plenty of
underground religions depending on where you were and when. And as far as
converting being painless I would venture to guess those who were converted
during the crusades would contest that notion.

But back on the subject of the motto. It was meant in jest only

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From: Bethor2000 at aol.com [mailto:Bethor2000 at aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:55 PM
To: northkeep at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Northkeep] Was Heraldic Question

Earlier comments posted:

>>well at least in christianized areas.
>>what about the creative anachronist part?
AND
>>Often time those hiding groups of non Christians of Europe

Unless your talking about Latvia and parts of Lithuania then there was no
recorded "pagan" religion during the historical period we are
"re-enacting"(to use that term in the loosest and broadest sense).  Sorry
but
this underground religion stuff is a modern, New Age creation, just like
Wicca, it was created during the good old 20th Century, most likely the
60's.
 Did people of Europe have superstitious practices, yea verily.  These are
well recorded, and generally have some Christian part of a "spell" that
involves saying the name of a saint or "numeric magic" from a significant
occurrence in the Bible.  The use of astrology is also very well documented.
For a look at late medieval practices I'd recommend  K Thomas RELIGION AND
THE DECLINE OF MAGIC.