[Northkeep] Heraldic Question

Derek Wilson dwilson at dollarcar.com
Tue Jun 12 12:17:38 PDT 2001 

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Often time those hiding groups of non Christians of Europe often used
symbols and "international universal symbols" so my idea still could work :)

Diethelm


-----Original Message-----
From: Miriam Cook [mailto:zahavabathannah at yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:05 PM
To: northkeep at ansteorra.org
Subject: RE: [Northkeep] Heraldic Question

Actually, despite what *we* who have
other-than-Christian ideologies must remember though
is that there really wasn't a "non-Christian" part of
Western Europe, or for that matter, Europe in general.
except of course for the parts of
"recently-Yugoslavia" which were controlled by the
Turks, and Spain and bits of France that were at times
controlled by the Moors (both of whom were Islamic
cultures).  Even in the areas where the different
aboriginal religions remained for a time, they would
have been kept hidden for fear of oppression (witch
burnings and the such).
Now, yes, we are part of the Society for Creative
Anachronism, and ~creative~ we are!! There are things
in the SCA that are very very strict... Heraldry as we
know is one of them.  I think that just about everyone
who has posted on this particular thread, save
Mark/Darmaid has a "goes-by" totally un-documenable
name and an "official" register-able (or not) name.  I
think that a Latin Motto would be the proper thing for
a Great Barony.  We can have other "mottos"--
"Northkeep Rocks!" comes to mind, but one official on
the Achievement (which has Laurel leaves on it doesn't
it? Another Roman type thing) should be proper in all
respects. (which by the way on looking back on my
earlier posts, I agree, cervix is right out)

Just my couple of pennies worth
Zahava
--- "Addington, Debbie, A"
<daaddington at saintfrancis.com> wrote:
> well at least in christianized areas.
> what about the creative anachronist part?
>
> Maidenhair
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Emily Minier [SMTP:eminier at dollar.com]
> > Sent:	Tuesday, June 12, 2001 11:42 AM
> > To:	'northkeep at ansteorra.org'
> > Subject:	RE: [Northkeep] Heraldic Question
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> > Although Norse would be more unique, I just
> thought I'd post a Latin
> > version
> > of (Strength of the Star)
> >
> > Fortitudo ex Stella
> >
> > Pronounced:  for-tee-TOO-do ay STAY-lah
> >
> > It is my opinion that we should probably stick
> with Latin in our Motto as
> > we
> > are trying to recreate a historical time frame.
> Latin was the most
> > universal language used during the time frame that
> we recreate.
> >
> > In Continuing Service to the Dream,
> > ~Adalia "Nyx" VonDerBerg~
> >
> >  "But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
> >  I have spread my dreams under your feet;
> > Tread softly because you tread on my dreams"
> >                   --Yeats
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Addington, Debbie, A
> [mailto:daaddington at saintfrancis.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:15 AM
> > To: 'northkeep at ansteorra.org'
> > Subject: RE: [Northkeep] Heraldic Question
> >
> >
> > norse would make it more unique.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Addington, Debbie, A
> [SMTP:daaddington at saintfrancis.com]
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:10 AM
> > > To:	'northkeep at ansteorra.org'
> > > Subject:	RE: [Northkeep] Heraldic Question
> > >
> > > yeah well i aint latin neither.
> > > so norse is just fine with me.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:	Ren Picard
> [SMTP:kateryne_la_esclopiera at juno.com]
> > > > Sent:	Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:17 AM
> > > > To:	northkeep at ansteorra.org
> > > > Subject:	Re: [Northkeep] Heraldic Question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 11 Jun 2001 13:17:24 -0500 Emily
> Minier <eminier at dollar.com>
> > > > writes:
> > > >
> > > > > Well, since we "Northerners" tend to lean
> towards the Norse
> > > > > backgrounds, we
> > > > > could use a Norse motto...
> > > > >
> > > > > Afl stjörnur
> > > > >
> > > > > Loosely translated means "Strength of the
> Star"
> > > >
> > > > I like the translation "Strength of the Star"
> because it denotes that
> > > > Northkeep is strong and I do believe Ansteorra
> will be a bit surprised
> > > by
> > > > our strength and unity.  However, I don't
> think it needs to fall back
> > > > upon the Norse because there are just as many
> within Northkeep that
> > > don't
> > > > play Norse...  I'm afraid it would cause some
> personnas to feel
> > unwanted
> > > > or rejected.
> > > >
> > > > Just a thought,
> > > > Ryn
> > > >
> > > > Kateryne la Esclopiera
> > > >
> > > > Il est bon d'etre laganse!
> > > > (It's good to be the gimp!)
> > > >                    --Ryn the Gimp
> > > >
> > > >
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