[Northkeep] Was Heraldic Question

[Miriam Cook]

Actually I'm rather partial to the "voluntary"
conversions of my ancestors during the
Inquisition/Expulsion period...
Zahava
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> Weren't so much talking about recorded "pagan"
> religions so much as
> non-catholic I think. The Crusades pretty much found
> plenty of Islamics to
> bring the light to in one fashion or another in
> europe. And of course the
> split between the Greek orthodox and catholics was
> not one you advertised
> openly if you lived in the others territory. So
> while the "underground
> religion" of wicca and the church of the ray of
> light at the 4th fork in the
> river stuff is pretty much based on conjecture.
> There were plenty of
> underground religions depending on where you were
> and when. And as far as
> converting being painless I would venture to guess
> those who were converted
> during the crusades would contest that notion.
>
> But back on the subject of the motto. It was meant
> in jest only
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bethor2000 at aol.com [mailto:Bethor2000 at aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:55 PM
> To: northkeep at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Northkeep] Was Heraldic Question
>
> Earlier comments posted:
>
> >>well at least in christianized areas.
> >>what about the creative anachronist part?
> AND
> >>Often time those hiding groups of non Christians
> of Europe
>
> Unless your talking about Latvia and parts of
> Lithuania then there was no
> recorded "pagan" religion during the historical
> period we are
> "re-enacting"(to use that term in the loosest and
> broadest sense).  Sorry
> but
> this underground religion stuff is a modern, New Age
> creation, just like
> Wicca, it was created during the good old 20th
> Century, most likely the
> 60's.
>  Did people of Europe have superstitious practices,
> yea verily.  These are
> well recorded, and generally have some Christian
> part of a "spell" that
> involves saying the name of a saint or "numeric
> magic" from a significant
> occurrence in the Bible.  The use of astrology is
> also very well documented.
> For a look at late medieval practices I'd recommend
> K Thomas RELIGION AND
> THE DECLINE OF MAGIC.
> From what I've read and studied about "pagan"
> religions of Europe, most
> people had no problem converting to Christianity,
> because it was a definite
> step up and away from those very brutal practices.
> The idea of the
> peaceful,
> matriarchic nature religions is a whimsy.  The
> studies of the people that
> practiced these religions, through contemporary
> accounts and modern
> archeology show that these groups practiced human
> sacrifice and blood soaked
> ceremonies(Norse, specifically, have accounts of
> ceremonial rape and live
> burials).  Even the Malleus Maleficarum advises that
> witches are in an
> individual relationship with devils, and not part of
> some vast underground
> group.
>
> Alton
> "suffer not a witch to live"
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