[Northkeep] A slightly different situation.

Jack Skinner Jack.Skinner at Thrifty.com
Wed Oct 10 07:44:25 PDT 2001

 Plus ca change, Diarmaid.  Northkeep has ever had to deal with the pit
Chihuahuas nipping at its heels.  As to those from the Barony who exhibited
such gauche behavior, as HE Mistress Catrin hath oft quoted, some people
"think" they're somebody.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Carlson [mailto:marc-carlson at utulsa.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2001 8:52 AM
To: northkeep at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Northkeep] A slightly different situation.

Over the past weekend, there was a completely unrelated set of messages that
appeared on the Mooneschadowe list regarding how some people seem to be
presenting Northkeep elsewhere.   I offered to forward his words here, and
he accepted.  I have edited out the the material from his messages that do
not have anything to do with this point.

I don't present this as a complaint, or to ridicule anyone -- rather I think
it's a good heads-up about how other people can sometimes see us.  Even if
the people he spoke with thought they were joking or whatever -- this is how
we are being received.  If that doesn't bother you, well - it doesn't.
Personally, I have enough trouble with people who clearly don't know me, and
can't be bothered to get to know me, ascribing BS actions and motivations to
me that I'm a little sensitive about the topic.

Again, I'm not being critical - the past is over, this perception exists at
least some places.  What can we do to mend that?

BTW, the reason his address doesn't appear is that the Mooneschadowe
archives don't show full addresses, and in forwarding mail to myself last
night to do this, I mislaid it.  I will send his address to the list the
first chance I get.

>From:  "Caius Fabius" <SPQR_HQ at h...>
>Date:  Sat Oct 6, 2001  8:27 pm
>Subject:  King Arthur Faire special
>Special King Arthut Faire Del for Mooneshadowe.
>I was talking to the "SCA" people at the King Arthur Fair today.  90% were
from Northkeep.  I asked about my friends from Mooneshadoe, and I was told
that the Northkeep people had not given them "permission" to attend????????
>Hello??? Since when did Mooneshadow need Northkeep's permission to do
anything fun?????
>Geez!  Any way, I talked to the director of the fair and he said ANY SCA
member who shows proof of membership can get in for 1/2 price...
>Caius Fabius
>aka Alexandros Dietrich vom dem Einhornwald.
>From:  SPQR_HQ at h...
>Date:  Mon Oct 8, 2001  5:34 pm
>Subject:  Re: King Arthur Faire special
>> PS Caius, I have heard no such rumor that we were not "allowed".  And
really,  I hear
>> almost everything. I am skeptical about your source of rumor. We are on
>> terms with Northkeep. And to my knowledge we get invited to the Faire
every year.
>> What taverns have you been frequenting to get your news?   :-)
>If you must know, I was at the "SCA" area, and the (an unnamed barony's)
group was pretty sure that Mooneshadowe was 1. not invited, 2. wouldn't come
even if they were, and a few other like comments.
>Some guy with less hair than I have was the most noisy, and mentioned that
he had posted the Faire information to the SCA Northern area website.  He
asked me if I would like to know more about the SCA and
>if I would consider joining... I fortunately remembered that I had
somewhere else to be, (anywhere was better than staying and saying what I
was thinking).
>I think it is rather nice that they give a 50% discount to paid SCA members
anyway, but there were plenty of visitors in attempts at garb.  I guess the
thing I saw, as a wandered the fair as a "player" and other various jobs,
was that the "Official SCA (un-named group)" went off in a corner, rarely
mingled with the fair goers, and were so closed away that they didn't
encourage questions, visitors or even anyone they didn't know to interact.
Maybe it was just that group (which shall be nameless).  Also their
campground was even more
>primitive and non-period than any other area that I noticed.  If I had been
a newbie, I would not have had any interest in that group.  (Notice I did
not specifically say they were RUDE!)
>The few SCA members from Namron, Wiesenfeuer, and Mooneshadowe who
day-tripped and helped out and got involved were a credit to our
>Caius Fabius
>From:  "Caius Fabius" <SPQR_HQ at h...>
>Date:  Tue Oct 9, 2001  9:42 am
>Subject:  Grow some guts? No humor!
>>This is so ridiculous that I can barely stomach it. I gues from this point
>>forward whenever something off the hip is to be said it should be
>>by someone carrying a huge banner that says HUMOR TO FOLLOW. By the way,
if you
>>wish to disparage the Barony in which I live and the people for who I
>>care......do it without your petty "subtle" references to Northkeep and
>>people. In short, grow some guts.
>>Lord Angus Macdhaid Gunn
>>Margrave of Runedel
>>Squire to Sir Alreck Kanin
>>Member of Alton's Company
>>Former Mooneschadeen.
>Fine:  I will be explicit.
>Some people who weren't in Northkeep 10 years ago, or who I never got to
meet personally, were at the King Arthur thing.  I have been in the SCA for
a few years, and even had one or two minor positions in Mooneshadow for a
short time.  I have worked one or two demos and even helped with a tiny
event or two.
>I wandered into the "SCA encampment" while wearing my Roman garb, and
greeted the people sitting around.  The folks who had set up a building and
provided a fire at the front gate to the site were very nice and had talked
to several of the customers about the SCA.  I was impressed with their
courtesy and friendliness.  I believe they were from the new canton in
>I wandered back into the rest of the "SCA area" and was immediately asked
in a rude way, "What are you doing here?".  I said I was looking around for
people I might know from the SCA.  The reply was "Where are you from?" I
said (truthfully) Shawnee, Oklahoma.  The reply was "We're from Tulsa", and
backs were turned.  I asked if there were any people from Mooneshadow
around.  I was told 1. Mooneshadow was not invited, 2. the wouldn't come
anyway, 3. they (Mooneshadow) were too busy having four meetings a week to
attend anything that they didn't sponsor, and 4. It would be a shame if
anything interfered with their dance practise.
>I wasn't going to be so explicit, but if you are from Northkeep, maybe you
should find out who has the attitude and is giving it away free to people
they don't know.   I get upset anytime people talk badly about Moonshadow,
even though I don't seem to have many ties there anymore.  And I don't
appreciate rudeness in people who are representing the SCA to the public.
>Caius Fabius
>once known as
>Alexandros Dietrich
>(and a couple of other names)
>From:  "Caius Fabius" <SPQR_HQ at h...>
>Date:  Tue Oct 9, 2001  9:59 am
>Subject:  Hotels, Not humor, apology
>....I must say I had three items on my agenda, ...3. To complain about the
way the few people from the Barony of Northkeep were talking down
>I probably should go to the Northkeep list to make such complaints.  Does
anyone have the seneshal's email address?  I just hope and pray it wasn't
someone official from the Barony that was acting that way.
Caius Fabius wrote:
> You are welcoem to post my comments, or send them to your senesghal or
> vicar. I really don't need another list, I just want to see a better
> interaction with people who are demo'ing the SCA to the public.
> I especially don't like people "dissing" other SCA groups to non-SCA
> or people they don't know! It's even worse, since they knew I was working
> with the fair. The people there had no way of knowing who they were
> to and the comments were not helpful.
> just my opinion, obviously
> Caius Fabius

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