Personality and Behavior (was RE: [Northkeep] Sir Balvins Defence)

Frank Howerton hoefish at
Tue May 28 11:34:58 PDT 2002

What was suggest was recognizing that a lot of people may have trouble
  fitting in with groups

Yes some people do, and some efforts are made to help them get integrated
and to stick around. I am still confused why everyone is so bent out of
shape about this shit. People come, we talk to them, invite them to things,
get them garb, help them make armor and learn to fight(if that is there
thing), take them to events, and when they feel left out or not on the "in
croud" whatever the hell that is, we should cry and feel sorry they are
leaving? You are right, they do need to suck it up. I(me) feel like a lot of
people make a lot of effort to help people out. What you hear is not the
many thanks from the ones who are helped out, you hear the bitching by the
whine bags that don't make it.

New flash, this game like many others is not for everyone. Some people make
it(good for me and them). Some people do not make it(bye bye). If you want
me to go to there house, beg them to keep comming, and wipe there ass after
all the effort that some have put in, forget it. They can find another game,
you can find another game, or maybe I can find another game. JMO

Hugs to all

>From: "Zenobia Mira Vallis" <VivatTheDream at>
>Reply-To: northkeep at
>To: "Marc Carlson" <marc-carlson at>, <northkeep at>
>Subject: Re: Personality and Behavior (was RE: [Northkeep] Sir Balvins
>Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:10:53 -0500
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>Thank you for saying what needed to be said (as usual).  Janece and I were
>both cheering when we read your post.  I see you've had no responses
>(online, anyway), but I'm sure many people are feeling some annoying
>pinpricks.  The truth doesn't just piss people off - it really does hurt!
>  Shirley
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Marc Carlson
>   To: northkeep at
>   Sent: Monday, 27 May, 2002 6:01 PM
>   Subject: Re: Personality and Behavior (was RE: [Northkeep] Sir Balvins
>   >From: cchipman at (Carl Chipman)
>   >Diarmaid, I know you're just being sarcastic, but there is a vein of
>   >truth to your tongue-in-cheek statement.
>   Oh, don't get me wrong - my message was thoroughly serious.  I had been
>   previously confused by people talking about "chivalry" and "The Dream"
>   crap like that.  Obviously it's not something people feel willing to try
>   -actually- make an effort at.
>   That's fine with me - I'm all up for being an asshole.  In fact, it
>takes a
>   lot of work for me NOT to be one most of the time.  If you don't like
>that -
>   suck it up and get over it.  But don't delude yourself that I'm acting
>   pretending.
>   No one ever suggested 'aiding and abetting self destructive behavior'.
>   What was suggest was recognizing that a lot of people may have trouble
>   fitting in with groups, thinking about how you come across, and making
>   attempt to help those feel welcome might be a good idea.  The response
>   pretty much been "to hell with those whiners".  That's your choice.  It
>   certainly keep down on the populace numbers.
>   Personally, I have found that simply trying to work with people was good
>   enough, but clearly that's not what want to hear -- they want to hear
>   they are in the right for selfishly ignoring others.  My problems with
>   Group" have traditionally not had anything to do with not feeling like I
>   in.  My personal problems have tended to be based on hypocrisy and
>   claiming one thing and doing another.
>   That's obviously the problem here, as well.  That's my mistake, and MY
>   for having even minimal expectations of other people.
>   BTW, I didn't forward the original message.  Ainar did.
>   Marc/Diarmaid
>   "Suck it up and get over it" -- Matthew 5-7 (NKV)
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