[Northkeep] device conflict....

Horn, Trisha D. tdhorn at saintfrancis.com
Fri Oct 10 14:12:01 PDT 2003


Or try http://www.sca.org/heraldry/primer/

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Graue, Chris [SMTP:Chris.Graue at benham.com]
> Sent:	Friday, October 10, 2003 15:41
> To:	'The Barony of Northkeep'
> Subject:	RE: RE: [Northkeep] device conflict....
> 
> Is there actually a "dictionary" sort of listing of what these things
> mean?
> If not, perhaps someone could make one... doesn't seem it would be all
> that
> difficult... and it would be a good reference for us new people. Seems so
> easy that I would think there would already be one out there somewhere...
> don't you think? I would be happy to type something out if I had a clue
> what
> they all were... I will compile the information I have so far (not much)
> and
> perhaps copy the list from that website to create an Excel spreadsheet or
> something. (time lapse) I have created a spread sheet with each page one
> letter from A to Z... and one for colors. Now all I need is to insert all
> these words... unless there is already a source out there.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ravenrux at cox.net [mailto:ravenrux at cox.net]
> 
> Erased, for reasons I'm not quite sure of, means ripped off.  So a
> dragon's
> head erased has been ripped off of the body and has a rough line along the
> "rip"
> 
> Masamune
> 
> From: "Graue, Chris" <Chris.Graue at benham.com>
> Date: 2003/10/10 Fri PM 03:49:08 EDT
> To: "'The Barony of Northkeep'" <northkeep at ansteorra.org>
> Subject: RE: RE: [Northkeep] device conflict....
> 
> Domo, Masamune-san. This makes much more sense to me now. When you said
> "erased" earlier, does that mean the image is white on a colored
> background?
> 
> Chris *lightbulb flickering faintly over head*
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ravenrux at cox.net [mailto:ravenrux at cox.net]
> 
> A fret is a hollow diamond with a couple of small "straps" braided through
> it.  
> 
> Per pale means divided from top to bottom by a straight line, so that the
> left half is a different color from the right half.
> 
> Counterchanged means the "per pale" division splits the fret as well as
> the
> field and the colors are reversed.  Over the blue (azure) half of the
> shield
> the fret it yellow (Or), and over the yellow half (Or) the fret is blue
> (azure).
> 
> Masamune 
> From: "Graue, Chris" <Chris.Graue at benham.com>
> Date: 2003/10/10 Fri PM 03:31:55 EDT
> To: "'The Barony of Northkeep'" <northkeep at ansteorra.org>
> Subject: RE: [Northkeep] device conflict....
> 
> OK, what's a fret, what is counterchanged and does "per pale" not mean
> what
> I think it does? What am I saying, it still doesn't make sense even if it
> DOES mean what I think it does!!! The only part of this I understand (now)
> is the colors... Can someone give me an SCA to english translation here so
> I
> can try to understand?
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Miriam Cook [mailto:zahavabathannah at yahoo.com]
> 
> OOPS!!  There is a conflict...
> Registered in June of 1989 (via Caid):
> Per pale gules and Or, a fret counterchanged.
> 
> 
> --- "Horn, Trisha D." <tdhorn at saintfrancis.com> wrote:
> > "Per pale azure and Or, a fret counterchanged" would
> > be first choice. If it
> > needs to be simplified, "Azure, a fret Or" is also a
> > possibility.
> > Raghnailt
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Miriam Cook [SMTP:zahavabathannah at yahoo.com]
> > > Question-- you said counterchanged-- did you want "Per
> > > pale azure and Or, a fret counterchanged" or "Azure, a
> > > fret Or"
> > > 
> > > Zahava
> > > 
> > 
> 
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