[Northkeep] Demos (and some rhetorical questions...)

Fri Oct 31 00:08:40 PST 2003

That does not change what the IRS interprets it to mean in relation towards our organization.  Although I kind of like that idea about international sports.......Combat cardweaving?

skerri

Carl Chipman <cchipman at nomadics.com> wrote: 

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Quote (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/501.html):

“Corporations, and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office. “

There are no statements in there that say what kinds of education are required.   Heck if we wanted too, we could seek shelter under the “international amateur sports competition” clause (we’d be ignoring 9/10ths of the rest of the SCA in that case though) since we don’t provide facilities or equipment (ok, maybe not due to loaner armour).

Finally, the only members of the SCA are the ones who pay membership.  Since we allow those who don’t to come to classes, events, etc, THEY could be considered the public too.

Like I said, I think we should do demos, just don’t yell “WE HAVE TO!!!”.

Jean Paul

Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com

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From: northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org [mailto:northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:02 PM
To: cchipman at nomadics.com; The Barony of Northkeep
Subject: RE: [Northkeep] Demos (and some rhetorical questions...)

When my wife was a IRS agent, she checked with the Phoenix area manager, explaining what we do and such.  he stated that we are obligated to teach the general public, not just members.  That is why I keep saying the Gov't says differently and why I am not wrong.

Skerri

Carl Chipman <cchipman at nomadics.com> wrote: 

But you’re wrong.  Educating our groups (i.e. A&S night, events with classes, reconstructing medieval fighting manuscripts) are sufficient sources of educating the public. 

Now, for the continued health of the group, it is good to continue to recruit.  For the “share the fun” it’s good to recruit. For many reasons, it’s good to do demos and recruit.

But it is not required to maintain our non-profit status.  We are also the public.  

Notice that the people who the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, etc, educate are the members of the group.

I’m sorry that you guys were left holding the bag at a public demo, but lambasting the group for failing to meet your perception of their “duty” is, especially when you’re not fully correct, is not a positive action.

Jean Paul de Sens

Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com
http://www.nomadics.com

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From: northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org [mailto:northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Robert Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:47 PM
To: The Barony of Northkeep
Subject: Re: [Northkeep] Demos (and some rhetorical questions...)

Sorry for the cutting on this.  Our non-profit tax status, in the view of the FED., means we do have to do public education, as I said before.  I also appreciate that some people don't like doing demos, and other folks can't.  There are other things to do aside from going to the demo to help with a demo.  I understand what you mean about education, though.  What you find educating I may find boring.

Skerri

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