[Northkeep] I'm sending this whole message...

Herndon, Darin DHerndon at bswintl.com
Wed Apr 21 08:25:53 PDT 2004

The NO_REAL_NAME SPAM test could also mean that the return address
involves an alias or actual account that is not valid anymore.  If I
cannot return to the From: I am told then it is NO_REAL_NAME.

Some people add characters to their return address, so that if the
address is picked up on some server, it cannot be used to send SPAM back
to them.  I have seen less of this method in the last year and a half
than prior to that.  Basically, I would reset my From: address to
something like "dherndonXXX at bswintl.com" and note in my message to the
actual recipient that if they wanted to reply, then they needed to
remove the "XXX" from my address.  An automated collection tool usually
cannot do that so only a person could reply and make the change so that
the reply would get through.

The downside today, of this approach to avoiding SPAM, is that more and
more professionally managed email gateways are refusing mail where they
cannot verify the sender address in order to decrease SPAM to their
recipients.  These two methods interfere with each other.

I cannot tell if any of this applies to Nadine's message from the SMTP
header because it is the header of the bounce notification instead of
the header of Nadine's original message.


-----Original Message-----
From: northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Carl Chipman
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:51 AM
To: 'The Barony of Northkeep'
Subject: RE: [Northkeep] I'm sending this whole message...

Um, actually, NO_REAL_NAME means that the original e-mail was sent out
an empty "FROM:" line.  For example, the from line on your email was

"From: "BlakHawk" <blakhawk at blakhawk.cjb.net>"

Also, the e-mail wasn't marked as SPAM (see included headers below)

X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.339 required=5 tests=NO_REAL_NAME
X-Spam-Level:  X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.39"

So it probably bounced because she sent the e-mail without a from line,
the mail server she uses allowed it.  Granted, no mail server should
allow that, but there are a lot running around that do.

Jean Paul

Carl Chipman
Nomadics, Inc.
cchipman at nomadics.com

-----Original Message-----
From: northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of BlakHawk
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 6:16 AM
To: The Barony of Northkeep
Subject: RE: [Northkeep] I'm sending this whole message...

"tests=NO_REAL_NAME" as noted in the header information would imply that
spam guard went awry and even though the previous entry says it is not
she was not on your "Allowed" senders list thus the message got trashed.
she initiate the mail from an unknown email address perhaps or the
got stripped somewhere... maybe in the process of flying through cyber
it burned up a couple "1's" and "0's". Perhaps her firewall stripped
something on the outgoing that could have been simple as a VCard from
outlook and thus terminate the message inappropriately. OR It attached a
VCard and the imcoming filter saw something it did not recognize and
trunkated the message prematurely. Thus Unknown Code gets trashed by
Microsoft to attempt to limit the issue with virus spreads and Spam.

Just a few ramblings from technically challenged ( I am challenged

Senior Technician Decisionone/Assurant Group Warranty Services


-----Original Message-----
From: northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:northkeep-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Marc Carlson
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 4:47 PM
To: northkeep at ansteorra.org
Subject: [Northkeep] I'm sending this whole message...

I'm sending this whole message to see if anyone can suggest why Nadine's
message was automatically trashed.

First - Nadine's message:

Sorry to interupt this regularly scheduled program but,
would Lady Elisabetha af Isafjord email me privately regarding you know
that we discussed you know where. *that should get people talking*

Lady Nadine des Jardins

You may now return to your regularly scheduled program

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