[Northkeep] group meetings of any variety

Thu Oct 6 10:03:13 PDT 2011

Well said Arthur.  I like the SCA for its totality not its parts.  I too miss the welcoming and chivalric culture I found here 22 years ago.  What we do not need is a further fracturing of the group.  Advancement is important but when an activity is only valued for advancement or a war point it risks us falling short of our whole.  I admire how well the armored practice has taken off and that it is the strongest in the region.  I just think we have room for the older ways of the group to continue.  The idea of signing up to clean something before leaving is good for those of us who due to family or work circumstance simply cannot be there every time at the end to do it.  Solutions matter far more than the attitude of "my way or the highway" that has been prevalent.  If the terms of second class participation bear equal weight in effort, more consideration should go to the whole.  Heavy is important but it is not the sum total of our martial culture or our group as a whole.

Herr Johann von Aue   
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Ld.blackmoon" <ld.blackmoon at cox.net>
Sender: northkeep-bounces+jon.d.eppler=gmail.com at lists.ansteorra.orgDate: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 11:45:42 
To: Cheryl Kiel<azuredecodragon at yahoo.com>; The Barony of Northkeep<northkeep at lists.ansteorra.org>
Reply-To: The Barony of Northkeep <northkeep at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Northkeep] group meetings of any variety

greetings

good points all , but I feel that 1 of them is part of the problem : /
>> Mind the rules of the other groups <<
northkeep and the sca seems to be suffering from segregation : (  ( separate 
but rarely equal )
when we were growing both the sca and northkeep  , we were " one group " 
some of us were fighters, some were archers, some were spinners/ weavers, 
etc. but we were all northkeep, even the fringe players .and even weird 
nubies were made welcome when they showed up on a motorcycle, and just 
watched from the parking lot  = )
and that was the way it was in the society as well. but mundanity poisoning 
has slowly seeped into our life blood, and we have socialized with each 
other less and less,so we do not know Joe fighter or bob archer, or Jill 
spinner , and are less likely to jump up and go help them.I don't know how 
many peoples tents I set up at early events for people I didn't even know 
; ) so now each single activity has become more and more a clique , and each 
clique thinking itself more important in the " grand scheme " of things. in 
the last few years ,I have often heard the speech about how the sca would 
not exist with out the heavy fighters. for many fighters this has lead to an 
attitude that they are better than anyone else, and can act as they please , 
some peers have also shown this attitude, and it has continued to spread to 
other activities as well . but the fact remains that the casual viewer who 
drives / walks by doesn't see knights in shining armor , or damsels in 
distress, they see people in funny clothes, and people beating on each other 
with sticks, and just like any other public display of violence, people want 
to come see what its all about, both those who are " anti violence " and 
those who want to pick up a stick and hit someone. it is only after they 
speak to people and learn that there are rules, and that no one is really 
trying to hurt anyone , that they start to find out what other activities 
the group has that they may be interested in , as well as the historical 
aspects , and social aspects ( honor / chivalry / etc. ) .

I find all this extremely sad ,it takes away from the entire " dream " 
atmosphere .
to be honest this problem of a group ( shire,barony, kingdom, etc ) being 
just an assortment of smaller " specialized " groups, that rarely works 
together isn't new, but it kept rubbing at the edge of my awareness saying 
something is wrong.... but what ?
until I saw mooneschadowe  in action, at that event at least , they worked 
as a team , with fighters, musicians, archers,drummers, etc all running 
around making things happen , in this instance, they drove up in a truck, 
hopped out, cleaned around the pavilion, and tables, packed the tables away, 
dropped and helped pack the pavilion, loaded the water coolers and were gone 
all in less time that had taken to put up the pavilion. I was so impressed 
that I have ever since repeatedly told other archers that they need to go to 
fighter practice, and sewing guild,etc. and help out. I tried to do the same 
while I was seneschal,unfortunately , my body no longer likes me, so my 
usefulness is very limited : ( , our baron shows up at most activities ( go 
baron ... major brownie points ; ) .

don't get me wrong I'm not trying to bash the fighters, or the peers, or 
anyone really, we in northkeep , much like the kingdom , and the society as 
a whole , have the full spectrum of personalities, everything from " I'm 
special and can do as I please " to " how may I assist you and make your 
"event " special for everyone " as well as " I only go to events to relax 
and have fun  " to " where do you need me / how can I help ?? ) .
( and yes , I freely admit that I have had all of those attitudes at one 
time or another in my 29 years in the sca )
and I realize that being much larger than in the " old days " it is much 
harder to " know everyone " but it's much easier to just ignore " those " 
people , than it is to ignore Joe fighter , who makes such good bbq and 
tells those awful jokes, or bob archer who taught you to make your own 
arrows, or Jill weaver who taught your friend to make such useful and pretty 
things ......... so if " those people" are cleaning, you get out of the way, 
but if " your friend " is cleaning , you normally help them ..... it's all 
in the attitude : /

sorry I keep jumping in here with my opinion : /

Be Safe , Be Happy, Have Fun .
Arthur

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cheryl Kiel" <azuredecodragon at yahoo.com>
To: "The Barony of Northkeep" <northkeep at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: [Northkeep] group meetings of any variety

Bottom line guys. We do this for fun and with any game you gotta respect 
each other's rules.

Mind the rules of the other groups. Fighters need space & a training 
environment. Do not bump the tables around the scribes. Do not try to 
socialize behind the archery targets. Kids (of any size or age) need to be 
tended by the people who brought them. And seriously I don't care if your 
mom does play, she doesn't want to pick up after you either.

Play nice, help out, & dear God please at least pretend to act like adults.

Tamberlin
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