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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>Ha!</SPAN>....</SPAN><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>Wellllll... Goodness... Since we're a <SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>*</SPAN>nationally<SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>*</SPAN> chartered Non-profit, and there is no
quantification <SPAN class=080232917-31102003>*</SPAN><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>anywhere* </SPAN>of the amount of education *or*
when/where<SPAN class=080232917-31102003>/how</SPAN> it takes place... I think
that the demo(s) they did this year in hmmmm... maybe in Stargate.. Or somewhere
in Atlantia or up in Calontir would fulfill the education requirement...
(LOL)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003>My
point is that we need not get bogged down in legalities nor references to legal
code, or even legal <SPAN class=080232917-31102003>opinion</SPAN> from any
source<SPAN class=080232917-31102003> regardless of qualification or lack
thereof</SPAN>. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=266043715-30102003>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003>B<SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>ecause</SPAN> really - who cares about all that<SPAN
class=080232917-31102003> foofah</SPAN>? </SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>A fact of SCA life - W</SPAN><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>e do demos... Have for years and will continue to
do so, as far a I can see... And it doesn't matter one <SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>b</SPAN>it whether they're required or
not.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>Sometimes they come off well</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>Sometimes they reek and are a misery to all
involved.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>Sometimes they are exactly the fun and educational
experience that you would want them to be...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>Sometimes they are nothing but free entertainment for
the attendees (Think children's birthday party clown level stuff!
Ha!)</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=266043715-30102003><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT
size=2>But, what got me started on this thread... I do have to take a small, and
hopefully polite exception.... *Informing* me (and most adults, I find...)
that I *must* do something, is quite possibly the fastest way known to
creation to either achieve exactly the opposite, or absolutely nothing at
all. <SPAN class=080232917-31102003>And maybe that wasn't intended in
the original post(s). (That is/can be a limitation inherent in this media)
</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=266043715-30102003><FONT
face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=080232917-31102003>But
what came across was *not* a positive "Wow you guys missed a great demo and I
think you would have enjoyed it" or even "Sorry we didn't see anyone there but
it was fabulous!"...</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>Which gets back to a<SPAN class=080232917-31102003>n
earlier</SPAN> point in an earl<SPAN class=080232917-31102003>i</SPAN>er
post - we are all volunteers in a volunteer organization. </SPAN><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>And not to put *too* fine a point on it, people do vote
with their feet in an<SPAN class=080232917-31102003>y</SPAN> organization like
this. <SPAN class=080232917-31102003>Burden</SPAN><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003> them in some fashion beyond what they are
comfortable with - be it financially, emotionally, time wise - whatever - and
they will leave, or modify their involvement to something smaller, to get back
to their comfort zone... </SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=266043715-30102003>
<DIV></SPAN><SPAN class=266043715-30102003><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=080232917-31102003>So - </SPAN>Encourage
demo participation<SPAN class=080232917-31102003>? O</SPAN>h my yes.<SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>..</SPAN> I can tell you first hand <SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>that </SPAN>demos can be utterly enjoyable and
incredibly fun - I will *always* remember the extended<SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>, exhausting *blast* of a </SPAN>demo we did at
Edgefest some years back.. What a hoot! (<SPAN class=080232917-31102003>and
later i</SPAN>n the mosh pit - in armor - was fun
too!)</FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003><SPAN class=080232917-31102003>And aside from
encouraging... </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN class=266043715-30102003>Ask<SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>ing</SPAN> nicely and/or remind<SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>ing</SPAN> politely...Definitely<SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>I think we'll achieve more of the desired goals with
"Carrot motivation", than with "stick
motivation"....</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>Again, please keep in mind that my opinions are my
own... So, please don't blame Sir Balvin if you happen to think I'm an
idiot.</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003></SPAN></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003><SPAN
class=080232917-31102003>Regards,</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2><SPAN class=266043715-30102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=266043715-30102003>Piotr</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT
face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Robert Stewart
[mailto:skerritheviking@yahoo.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 31, 2003
2:09 AM<BR><B>To:</B> cchipman@nomadics.com; The Barony of
Northkeep<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Northkeep] Demos (and some rhetorical
questions...)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT><BR>That does not change what the IRS interprets it to mean in
relation towards our organization. Although I kind of like that idea
about international sports.......Combat cardweaving?</P>
<P>skerri<BR></P><SPAN id=hbblock>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR><BR><B><I>Carl Chipman
<cchipman@nomadics.com></I></B> wrote:
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
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(<A
href="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/501.html">http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/26/501.html</A>):<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
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<P class=labeltext-2><FONT face="Lucida Console" color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Console'">"</SPAN></FONT>Corporations,
and any community chest, fund, or foundation, organized and operated
exclusively for religious, charitable, scientific, testing for public
safety, literary, or educational purposes, or to foster national or
international amateur sports competition (but only if no part of its
activities involve the provision of athletic facilities or equipment), or
for the prevention of cruelty to children or animals, no part of the net
earnings of which inures to the benefit of any private shareholder or
individual, no substantial part of the activities of which is carrying on
propaganda, or otherwise attempting, to influence legislation (except as
otherwise provided in subsection (h)), and which does not participate in, or
intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any
political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for
public office. "<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=labeltext-2 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; TEXT-INDENT: 0in"><FONT
face="Lucida Console" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Console'">There are no
statements in there that say what kinds of education are required.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Heck if we wanted too, we
could seek shelter under the "international amateur sports competition"
clause (we'd be ignoring 9/10ths of the rest of the SCA in that case though)
since we don't provide facilities or equipment (ok, maybe not due to loaner
armour).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=labeltext-2 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; TEXT-INDENT: 0in"><FONT
face="Lucida Console" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Console'">Finally, the only
members of the SCA are the ones who pay membership.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Since we allow those who don't to
come to classes, events, etc, THEY could be considered the public
too.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=labeltext-2 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; TEXT-INDENT: 0in"><FONT
face="Lucida Console" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Console'">Like I said, I think
we should do demos, just don't yell "WE HAVE
TO!!!".<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=labeltext-2 style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0in; TEXT-INDENT: 0in"><FONT
face="Lucida Console" size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Lucida Console'">Jean
Paul<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#993366 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #993366; mso-no-proof: yes">Carl
Chipman<BR>Nomadics, Inc.<A
href="mailto:Inc.cchipman@nomadics.com"><BR>cchipman@nomadics.com</A><BR></SPAN></FONT><FONT
color=#993366><SPAN style="COLOR: #993366; mso-no-proof: yes"><A
href="http://www.nomadics.com/"><FONT size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt">http://www.nomadics.com</SPAN></FONT></A></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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