TENT - tudor tents.
Tanya Guptill
tguptill at teleport.com
Mon Dec 13 07:19:49 PST 1999
Lady Marguerite,
I have to admit that I am really happy someone wading into this discussion with
a note about spoked wheel tents. They are beautiful, getting more popular, but
I am not sure that I can agree with the contention that they are common in
period. The current wave of spoked wheel tents can almost certainly be traced
back to Master Dafydd ap Gwystl's article on the spoked wheel design, which can
be found athttp://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/sca/tents/kuijt.article/. He cites an
extant 15th century Burgundian pavilion possibly in the Bern Museum in
Switzerland. I have written the museum twice, in hopes of getting some details
on this tent, but have not received a response. I had the good fortune to
meet Master Dafydd when we were assisting mar-Joshua in teaching the pavilion
class, and to examine his fine pavilion. John LaTorre also does spoked wheel
designs, but I am not certain what his documentation is (John--do you have
details on that Burgundian tent?)
The written accounts of tent supplies that I have found talk about needing
ropes, saplings, or 'hopes' (hoops). In the records of the Tournament of
Westminster in 1511, the Royal Pavilioner, Richard Gibson, included accounts of
purchased materials for the event. There are lists of iron rings and wooden
staves, but after reading through the material it looks like these were used on
those pavilions that were mobile--used in the procession, then placed on the
ground. The pavilions that were not moved do not list these staves, and only
list a single ring, probably for the peak. Mistress Barbary Elspeth Ham did a
very nice article about these lists, and I am planning on webbing it in the week
or so after 12th Night (with her gracious permission, of course).
I am also taking the liberty of including Dr. Peter Alford Andrews in this
email (as well as Master Dafydd and John), to see if he has knowledge of this
type of tent. I believe his expertise is more toward nomadic tent types, but it
is possible his vast amount of research has turned up information of which we
are unaware.
Mira
Cherie Nolan wrote:
> Thank you I was thinking that for set up the wheel supports would be harder
> to use. I have hear so many times that the wheel deign was the periord way.
> I don't like to use hoops. the side walls and the roof edge on the really
> large rounds just don't seem to have as nice of an edge or squared shape. Do
> you have documentations on the frame work of tents.
> I have a lot of tents of medieval pictures but few shows the inside of the
> frame work. With the exception of the center poles, so many tent makers have
> sworn the wheel frame is the best. Thank you for your help! Also thank you
> for jioning the list. Marguerite
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> From: Stephen Wyley <stephenw-hrt at nmit.vic.edu.au>
> To: <tentguild at Ansteorra.ORG>
> Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 3:40 PM
> Subject: Re: TENT - tudor tents.
>
> > Hi Marguerite,
> >
> > A fellow re-enactor may be able to point you in the right direction,
> > Pete James <peter.james1 at virgin.net>
> >
> > I would steer completely clear of any "wagon wheel" supports because
> > there is absolutely no evidence to support such construction. The
> > taunt canvas of bell tents and the rounded ends of pavilions are
> > achieved by correct use of main poles, material and guy ropes. Why
> > carry extra wood work when it is un-need and not period?
> >
> > Good luck and merry Yule.
> >
> > > I am building a Tudor tent like that in the one in the picture Field of
> =
> > > the Cloth of Gold. Only I am making mine in Purple and Gold. I have =
> > > decided to have the roof all one piece so that way it would not leak. =
> > > Thinking I am going to make the rounds with the wayon wheel design not =
> > > to sure about that. I would like to make it as period as possible. =
> > > However I am going to use TRI-pac material to stay dry in our rainy =
> > > conditions. I have babys and really need to think of them. Plus tri pac
> =
> > > holds color long and is alot stuffer then canvas.=20
> > > After looking at many other pictures of the era of King Henry VIII I =
> > > believe that the tents all tied together. Would really like to talk to =
> > > people some who are in England who could get more resources. In a of =
> > > pictures you can see the same tents in pictures of later time or rather
> =
> > > ones that looks like it as singles not as the whole tudor tent. I have =
> > > been working on the designs and how they would have constructed it =
> > > themselves and I do have a working plan on how it would have been =
> > > constructed. But decided to do my own thing. Thinking of gulf wars last
> =
> > > year wet and rainy plus we are in the south. Does anyone have resources
> =
> > > in England who may have knowledge about tudor tents or can go the =
> > > libraries or something and get me more pictures to study. Marguerite
> > >
> _________________________________________________________________________=
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> > > Marguerite at tex-is.net
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