[Re: [Re: PE - Re: Angles large oval wedge?]]

[Barbara E. Sorenson]

Hi again Willow,

It is also possible that you are referring to a tent that Master Sigtrygg
built which was his own original design but based on a viking tent.  I do
not believe that it had belled ends however.

To my knowledge Toli has not built a tent (I made the one he uses) and
while he has done considerable research, he has done very little tent
research.

How are you?  

Barbary

On 17 Oct 2000, Wendy Freeman/Otte wrote:

> Ahh - I just made a discovery - there is an ongoing argument over the shape of
> this tent.  Here is the issue: look at the two versions of the Anglo-Saxon
> Geteld.
> <http://www.adelphi.edu/~sbloch/sca/tents/taxonomy.html>
> 
> Actually, the one I saw had the ridgepole on the inside, but looked more like
> the second Geteld tent shown, with the bell ends.
> 
> Still, the issue of a medieval reference is an open question - where did
> *these* gentles get their sources?
> 
> --Wyllow
> 
> Wendy Freeman/Otte <wyllow at netscape.net> wrote:
> > Sven, you caught me - I have no reference.  The gentle (I think it was Toli,
> I
> > know it was someone from MagMor, Calontir) who built the large oval tent had
> a
> > reputation as an excellent researcher, and I took him at his word.  My web
> > search, triggered by your challenge (and rightly so) has produced no
> obvious
> > results.  So, can anyone help me find the reference I am sure exists?
> > 
> > Here is what I remember from my conversation with him, 4 years ago - it is
> an
> > Anglo, Saxon, or both tent from ?before 1000AD?.  It uses no ropes,
> depending
> > on the cloth of the tent to hold it up - the roof & sides are one cloth. 
> Its
> > shape is more like a huge pup tent, with bells closing either end, and a
> slit
> > cut into the middle of one side for the door.  It resembles the *roof* of
> the
> > french two-bell, reaching to the ground, although the pitch of the roof is
> a
> > lot steeper.
> > 
> > Mira, did you have a reference/picture for the Bell wedge?  The timeperiod
> > doesn't match, but the description does.
> > 
> > --Wyllow MacMuireadhaigh
> > 
> > "Mira (Tanya Guptill)" <tguptill at teleport.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Stephen Wyley wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi Wendy,
> > > >
> > > > I am yet to come across such a tent as you describe.
> > > >
> > > > Can you quote your reference for this Angles large oval wedge?
> > > 
> > > It looks to me like it is the earlier form of a bell wedge, with the slit
> > door, ala
> > > Tudor period.  If I'm correct, you see a lot more of these in period than
> > the
> > > so-called French Bells (more common American Civil War, door is
> different,
> > althoug
> > > there is evidence of the awning/door in Coburg in the mid 1600s).
> > > 
> > > Mira
> > > 
> > > Mira
> > > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---
> > > > Bye for now,
> > > >
> > > > Sven
> > > > (Stephen Francis Wyley)
> > > > Fortifications (Dictionary of Military Architecture, etc).
> > > > http://www.angelfire.com/wy/svenskildbiter/index.html
> > > > Archery, Arms, Armour, Chests, Tents, Trebuchets,
> > > > Vikings, Woodwork.
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/svenskildbiter/index.html
> > > > Arrow Fletching, Turbow Longbows & Yoretymes Emporium of History
> > > > http://svenskildbiter.webjump.com/index2.html
> > > >
> > > > On 2 Oct 00 08:56:11 CDT   Wendy Freeman/Otte wrote:
> > > > >The Angles had a one-person-to-raise tent - it was a large oval wedge
> > with a
> > > > >slit door in the center of the long side.  You peg all of the sides
> down
> > > > >first, then take the two poles into the tent, and raise the roof, one
> > pole at
> > > > >a time.  No ropes - all based on tension.  Very few seams, so good for
> a
> > rainy
> > > > >climate.
> > > > >
> > > > >One problem - I think its timeperiod of use was 700-900AD, maybe
> > earlier.
> > > > >
> > > > >--Lady Wyllow of the Loch
> > > >
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> > > >
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