RF - Arms and tmepers

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Lorraine and/or Kief wrote:

> (snip)
> > > Do not blame one person
> > > for you not receiving your thistle or any other arawd
> > > you think you are worthy of.
> >
> >i don't i pointed at the baroness because she raised her head highest
> >out of the crowd of suspected enemies
>
> How did she "raise her head the highest"?
> She has been one of your greatest proponents...no matter how
> you have slammed her because of some past slight....
>

some how             i doubt that                            she hides her
support very well              right under her respect i suppose
as to  HOW the latest thing was telling me to "shut up about it"

>
> >enemies that the baron himself admitted are dedicated to the proposition
> >that i never recieve any award for anything ever again
>
> What enemies...I and many others (as well as Chrystal)
> have promoted you. And you say that just because you do not
> meet our criteria for an award...we are enemies
>

no because you oppose me getting one                  i don't meet YOUR
criteria?     what  enemies? ask DSD he knows the names of them all i
think         i don't                     but i will some day

>
> Give me a break!!!!!
>
> Ya know what...a number of us were discussing putting in
> an award rec for you, but because of your behavior, you
> blew it with me and a number of others...

well thank you                and i'm sorry i let you down         YOU Were TO
MOTHER FUCKING SLOW ABOUT IT WEREN'T YOU                   YEARS TOO FUCKING
SLOW SO DON"T EXPECT ME TO LICK YOUR ASS IN GRATITUDE NOW!!!!!!!!!!


>
> An award is given to someone in the SCA for things that benefit
> the SCA at the judgement of people in the SCA. Those people
> use as part of their judgement the actions of that person towards
> others in the SCA...in my opinion there is no reason to
> reward people for negative behavior, it just perpetuates it.

SO WHEN THE BARONESS IS A BITCH IT'S OK ?            what about DSD makeing an
ass of himself at quest during bardic?       in a good cause his intentions
were admreable i admit            but blowing up at the crowd      i heard
grumbles of who does he think he is ect.

>
> >thats a wrongness that that kind of attitude is
> >condoned that the deserving are banned from awards for
> >personal reasons?????
>
> Deserving by whose standards...
> Banned how????
> In reaching for an award you are asking others to compare you
> to their criteria for an award. You are seeking others approval.
>

umm yes           and wasn't it YOU who said your FRIEND FROM WHERE THE FUCK
EVER WANTED A PIN LIKE YOURS
SO THERES YOUR FUCKING CRITERIA!                   SKILL GODDAMNIT
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
> >your a bit opinionatedfrom time to
> >time as well sweety   do you want people blocking YOU from your goals
> >till you fit their mold?
> >
> > > Because when the cookie
> > > crumbles it is the decision of the crown, not the
> > > barony, baroness or baron
> >
> >and so why do you need baronial support at all ? why do those that
> >oppose me matter at all because the crown cares what they
> >think
>
> The Baron and Baroness are the voice and eyes of the Crown...
> their recommendations hold weight...as well as others the
> Crown knows...usually that's all they hear or see
> because few other people send in the award recommendations...
>

yep         and like nichollete you dig YOURSELF A HOLE HERE DON'T YOU
i've got others in the barony now that want to take up the slack left by your
slow acting asses  so you can tell the baroness she's going to get her
recomendations to the crown                             sent to the crown
by passing her and you and whomever else is deciding that if someone pisses
someone off they don't get recomended. so you'll all have more time to do
whatever the fuck it is you DO DO.

>
> >(unless i spend a bunch of money to go "other places" as
> >timo suggests)
>
> If you go other places then others may ask our B&B why you
> are not recognized in your own Barony, if you feel the deck
> is so stacked against you here, why even try here???
>

ummm see a trend here ?               why do others have to ask my fucking
baroness anything?
and i tried here because THIS IS WHERE I PLAY               scuze me played
and i thought you weren't all a bunch of worthless .............. forget it

>
> How do you think the "Crown" is going to get to know your
> expertise if you don't travel and display your works in
> other places?
>

because my baron and baroness would tell them i rock          or mebbe YOU
WOULD OH PIN OWNER SHOWING IT TO SOME CHICK AT PENSIC            DID YOU EVER
SHOW IT TO A CROWN?
i doubt it you didn't even bring it to the stones so i could display it myself

>
> >i don't want a thistle to show to stargate or anyone else  i want >a
> >thistle to show jillalli and berta   all >the others (who i won't name
> >here) who try to treat me like a no >talent buffoon
>

no probably not         but it makes ME FEEL BETTER           and that matters
more to me anyway

>
> and you think that a thistle is going to change people's perception
> of you...people treat you in reaction to your actions and words
> an award is not going to change that...
>
> >I AM A DAMN >TALENTED BUFFOOON THANK YOU VERY MUCH! or when i get >the
> >"what are you going to do for your barony"    i must ask , what >the F$@#
> >has my BARONY >done FOR ME lately? see i have no problem >being honest
> >        i care about ME FIRST!
> >many people around SAY they are serving the barony FIRST but kingdom
> >offices sure look good when your in stargate or kingoms elsewhere
> >they make you a somebody(to those that care) more than a freakin >sable
> >thistle in illumination if your not carrying an example of >your work.
> >
>
> What makes you SOMEBODY anywhere is not the awards they carry...
> It is that people know you and your work and respect you for it...
> And if you care to look...the same people who hold offices in the
> barony, regionaly and in the kingdom are the same people that
> are ALWAYS there WORKING at events and other baronial projects.
>

yeah             and they do it for their aggrandisement as much as anything
else
remember your philosophy?          no such thing as a SELFLESS ACT

>
> (snip)
> >
> >right on the first guess           i have attained an undeniable level
> >of skill          SKILL DEAR LADY thats what thistles award
> >
> > > Were that true, than Cammie would have received
> > > her Aoa years ago instead of last year after having
> > > played for 13 years.
> >
> >SMILE i love it when people trip over their own ignorance AoA's are
> >for SERVICE   not SKILL >harder to determine.again  i ask is this really
> >the kind of >thing your proud of?    13 years without an AoA?
> >oh this is good management , this is something to point out
> >actually it IS for ME to point and say HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE IN A WELL
> >RUN SOCIETY????????????????????????????????????????
>
> You must be imagining something...a well run society...the SCA is
> imperfect at best...run by volunteers who do things because they
> love the SCA and want to keep it running...
>

oh the selfless act thing again?            please stop the violin
music!!!!!!!
people who care so MUCH about something try to keep it running smoothly
which is why i'm catching so much shit about these fucking e mails

>
> >i think cammie's problem with her AoA may have been the same as mine
> >now.   she didn't fit someones mold.
> >show her this e mail and ask her. (for if you do*SMILE*    hi yah cammie
> >love yah mamma! MMMMWAH)
>
> I can't speak for her early years but I met Cammie at Renfaire
> and didn't see her at an SCA event until a few years ago...
> RenFaire is an SCA demo and awards can't be given there.
> She started showing up periodically at events and
> Wah Lah!!!!! She got her AoA for the service she did at faire...
>

oh                  and do either of us know if she does go to events where we
are not?

>
> (clip)
> >where i earned my sable thistle in bard craft.
>
> Ask DSD why you really earned your thistle...It might suprize you
>

oh          i was told it was started by cat                     not dsd

>
> >
> > > Yes, I am still upset about it.
> > > Think on your actions and then think if your demeanor
> > > is worth the award fo the Sable Thistle.
> >
> >i am so GD tired of saying this SABLE THISTLES ARE AWARDED FOR SKILL
> >DAMNIT NOT HUMILITY OR DEMEANOR
>
> Though they are awarded for "skill" and research in the arts and sciences,
> part of what is expected is to act in a demeanor befitting
> a lord or lady.

oooooooo and if i'd gotten some feed back other than shut up and see if you
get one            for 3 fucking years
blowing me off over and over          or hinting that it might be the next
motherfucking event for three motherfucking years
and it NEVER MOTHERFUCKING BEING THAT EVENT OR THE NEXT ONE OR THE NEXT ONE
EVERY MOTHERFUCKING TIME !!!!!!!!!!!!              fuck it

>
>
> >LOOK NICCOLETTE I TAUGHT YOU
> >YOUR FIRST FRICKING SONG
>
> and she has risen above it...she is researching and teaching
> and benefiting the SCA in many ways...

yeeeeea team                      fuck off it wasen't sent to you on
purpose                         above it
shove it up your ass loraine

>
>
> >IN THE SCA DON"T SIT THERE IN THAT CHAIR AND
> >DICTATE THE EXACT SCREWED UP ATTITUDE I"M FIGHTING AND EXPECT ME NOT
> > >TO>BLAST YOU ABOUT IT!WARNING WILL ROBINSON YOU ARE  IN DANGER OF
> >BECOMING ANOTHER OF WHAT THE SCA HAS TOO  DAMN MANY OF!!!!!
>
> (maybe we should develope a check list of things to do
> like they do merit badges...complete X projects and you
> automatically get an X)

no but if you take up a skill and kick ass at it  YOU GET FUCKING RECOGNISED!

>
>
> Who's dictating to whom???
>
> >it didn't get lorraine liked very well when she was like that
>
> I don't give a SH** whether anyone likes me or not...
> Many of the things I did and said were because, lots
> of people had serious problems with others and did not
> have the balls to speak up...I ended up taking the brunt
> of a lot of stuff because I actually went to people
> and expressed concern...
>

AND SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ON ABOUT AT ME THEN FUCK OFF

>
> >(SIDE NOTE she's altogether better about it now...mostly *smile)
>
> I wouldn't say better, just have realized I wasted way too much
> energy in trying to "make things smooth" and in trying to help people who
> just wanted to be psuedo-fantasy and party in costume to become
> really a part of the SCA

AND WHO THA FUCK ARE YOU TO DECIDE WHATS REALLY A PART OF THE SCA??????????
PSUEDO FANTASY????             WHAT IN THE FUCK BARONY ARE YOU PLAYING IN????
THE BARONESS  HAS FUCKING ELF EARS!        and since she took them off shes
just no mother fucking fun at all.

> and get them involved in the Barony...
> I now try to only give my time and energy to things that really
> matter to me...and will only help if asked.

OH DID I ASK YOU TO SEND ME ALL THESE FUCKING E MAILS?                  FUCK
OFF PLEASE!

> ..And am trying to
> spend my time doing things in a more period manner, improve
> myself and improve the Barony...and of course... having fun...

AT  WHOSE EXPENSE?       I USE TO JUST WANNA HAVE FUN! AND DID        IN GREAT
AMOUNTS YOU MOTHER FUCKERS PULLED ME INTO ALL THIS POLITICAL SHIT AND RUIEND
THE FUCKING SCA FOR ME
MADE ME CARE ABOUT WHAT I WAS DOING OTHER THAN GETTING DRUNK AND ENTERTAINING
MY FRIENDS AT EVENTS                             SO FUCK THE FUCK OFF
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



>
>
> >
> > > Personally..
> > > as much as  I enjoy the beauty of your tallents, would
> > > not recommend you for such an award. I am truely
> > > sorry.
> >
> >thanks for letting me know how you feel           i'll count you amoung
> >the enemies now.
>
> Oh how juvenile...if you aren't for me you're against me....
>

i would not recomend you for such an award
AGAINST         THATS HER FUCKING VOTE !


>
> (snip)
>
> >
> > >
> > > Look at yourself from the outside.  Would you
> > > recommend some one for an award that disrupted a
> > > bardic competition or  performance in the manner that
> > > you did? I honestly hope not.
> >
> >and what does bardic have to do with SKILL in bone carving?
>
> It has to do with respect...why should someone respect what
> you do in the arts if you don't respect what they do?
>

REPEAT THAT TO YOURSELF A HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES AND YOU"LL HAVE CAUGHT UP
WITH ME
then you can speak to me about it            because thats what i did    for
three or so years every mother fucking court


>
> >it sounds pissy *so what* but why should i care about others ? since
> >it's all rigged anyway? IF YOU CAN'T PROGRESS WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM >THE
> >RIGHT PEOPLE>THATS RIGGED!
>
> Progress how???
> You achieve awards because other people see you have done the
> things that fit their criteria for an award and write in
> to the B&B, Seneschal and/or Crown. It is all the subjective
> approval of other people...especially the Crown!!!!
>
> Progress in your art is when you determine you reach a certian
> level in your art through production, research or in comparison to
> other artists or through discussion of with "experts"
>

when you determine you reach a certain level through production (LIKE YOUR
MOTHER FUCKING PIN?DSD'S MEDALLION THAT HE WANTED TO MOTHER FUCKING PAINT!?
ARRRRRRRRRRGH FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) comparison to other
artists?     research?                    FUCK YOU !!!!!!!!

>
> >besides i haven't really thought much of a
> >bardic compitition at the stones in one hell of a while
> >they ARE rigged against ME! thats a fact.
>
> By who's report???

NONE OF YOUR MOTHER FUCKING BIZ

>
>
> >i've been in the sca many years longer than you i have a sable
> >THISTLE in BARDCRAFT i've only won a bardic compitition   here
> >TWICE my second or so event (gates edge held it here)      and one
> >when jillalli wasn't a judge >and the winner was picked by the crowd.
> >does that suggest something to YOU?
>
> Yeah, that Jalali has different standards than a general crowd of people.
> She has criteria that has been influenced by college (she has a music
> degree) and by the MANY years she has be in and judging
> competitions throughout the Known World.
>
> and it's her fault that you aren't able to meet her criteria...
> yeah right...
>

SHE HATES MY FUCKING GUTS SO DOES HER HUSBAND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASS WITH A
POKER

>
> >never won a bardic judged by ravensfort judges          in nearly ten
> >years. of course jillalli is almost allways a judge being a
> >laurel and all so i'm never progressing in the field i first
> >chose ever so i chose two more and i'm blocked there too
>
> Progress does not equal award!!!!
>
> >ASK THE>FUCKING BARON !!!!!!
>
> Yeah ask the Baron...
>
> (snip)
>
> Lorraine
>
> >Ragan
> >
>
> > > Lady Nicolette DeLeon
>
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