RF - Fw: Proposal for a fourth Peerage(long)

[Finn Mac Cormaic]

Got this off the SCA-ARTS Mailing list

On Fri, 1 Oct 1999 08:50:25 -0700, Kenneth J Mayer <domus at juno.com> wrote:

>Thought I would pass this along to this list -- it is an interesting
>proposal and I support it, but for Sir Jon's proposal to work, he needs
>input from people across the Known World. Please, if you join the list,
>see his request that discussion be put on hold until next week ...
>
>Hirsch
>
>--------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: John Edgerton <sirjon at netcom.com>
>To: domus at juno.com
>Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Proposal for a fourth Peerage(long) (fwd)
>Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9909302001.A15976-0100000 at netcom8.netcom.com>
>
>
>
>Greetings
>
>I am putting together a proposal for a fourth peerage to be sent to the 
>SCA BOD for their January meeting. It will be for skill in the related 
>fields of non tournament martial activities, such as: Archery,
>equestrian, 
>fencing, thrown weapons and war combat. War combat would include: Missile
>
>combat, siege engines, scouting, etc.
>
>I would hope that a proposal that includes a larger section of the SCA
>would 
>have a better chance of acceptance by both the members of the SCA and the
>BOD. 
>
>I have set up a mailing list for discussion of this topic on Onelist. If 
>you are interested in discussing this topic please subscribe to the list.
>
>This way, the discussion will all be on a single list rather than split
>all 
>over the sca archery, equestrian, fencing, missile combat, thrown weapons
>
>and siege lists.  
>
>To subscribe to the list, all you have to do is send a blank message to: 
>sca-4peerage-subscribe at onelist.com
>
>If you know of others that would be interested in participating in this 
>discussion, please pass this information on to them. 
>
>Please take formal discussion of this to sca-4peerage, so that your 
>opinion can be shared with all those interested and not be limited to
>just 
>this list. 
>
>One point I would like to have discussed is: If non tournament heavy 
>weapons such as pikes, should be included under war combat as well. 
>
>Please hold off discussion of this until Oct 4th. This will allow more 
>people to join before the discussion starts. Also, I will be gone for the
>
>weekend for West Crown Tourney.
>
>
>Thank you, I hope that you will join in this discussion. 
>
>Sir Jon Fitz-Rauf, O.L.,O.P., etc
>West, Esffen
>
>
>The following is not official policy of the office of the SCA Archery or 
>Earl Marshals.
>
>*************************************************
>
>
> 
>
>                               PROPOSAL FOR 
>                                    A
>                              FOURTH PEERAGE 
>                                   FOR 
>                              THE ART OF WAR
>                             (draft #2 9/27/99
>
>   There is a gap in the SCA peerage system. It is the area 
>including those involved in the arts of war, such as: Fencing, target
>archery,
>equestrian, and non tournament war combat.
>
>   The Order of Chivalry covers tournament combat. The laurel covers 
>the arts and sciences. The Pelican covers service. But, those people 
>whose skills lie outside of these areas have no society wide recognition 
>at this level. This is an imbalance that should be corrected.
>
>   The arts of war are uniquely important in the SCA because they are the
>
>basis for the most common interaction between kingdoms - the interkingdom
>
>wars and the multikingdom wars (Pennsic, etc).
>
>   Yes, you can get a Laurel if you make the equipment for these 
>activities, or a Pelican if you train others and organize these  
>activities. But, unlike the Order of Chivalry, which is awarded for skill
>
>with the basic weapons of tournament combat as practiced in the SCA, you 
>can not get recognition for your high skill in these areas. It would be 
>as if, in tournament combat, you could only get a knighthood for making 
>armor or weapons, marshaling, teaching fighters or writing papers on 
>medieval combat, but not for your skill on the field of combat. 
>
>   The intent of this proposal, to be sent to the BOD, is for a new
>peerage 
>order to provide recognition for those whose outstanding skills lie
>outside 
>the current peerage orders. This is in the areas of: Equestrian
>activities, 
>fencing, target archery, thrown weapons and war combat. War combat would 
>include non tournament martial activities such as: missile combat, siege 
>engineering and scouting. All of these can be placed together under the 
>heading of the arts of war. 
>
>   A suitable name and badge for this order has not yet been worked 
>out, that will come later.
>
>   The new order would have the same general requirements as the 
>other peerages. The following is from the Corpora, section VII Personal 
>awards and titles. 
>
>
>A. Patents of arms
>     1.  General requirements. Candidates for any order conferring a 
>	 Patent of Arms must meet the following minimum criteria. 
>         Additional requirements may be set by law and custom of the 
>         kingdoms as deemed appropriate and necessary by the Crown. . 
>		
>                a. They shall have been obedient to the governing 
>                   documents of the society and the laws of the kingdom. 
>		b. They shall have consistently shown respect for the 
>		   Crown of the kingdom.
>		c. They shall have set an example of courteous and noble 
>                   behavior suitable to a peer of the realm. 
>		d. They shall have demonstrated support for the aims and 
>                   ideals of the Society by being as authentic in dress, 
>                   equipment and behavior as is within their power.  
>		e. They shall have shared their knowledge and skills with 
>                   others. 
>		f. They shall have practiced hospitality according to 
>                   their means and as appropriate to the circumstances. 
>		g. They shall have made every effort to learn and 
>                   practice those skills desirable at and worthy of a 
>                   civilized court. To this end they should have some 
>                   knowledge of a wide range of period forms, including 
>                   but not limited to literature, dancing, music, 
>                   heraldry and chess, and they should have some
>familiarity 
>                   with combat as practiced in the Society. They should 
>                   also participate in Society recreations of several 
>                   aspects of the culture of the Middle Ages and 
>                   Renaissance.     
>
>
>   As taken from the Corpora the duties of the members of the order 
>would include:
>
>		a. To set an example of courtesy and chivalrous conduct.
>		b. To respect the Crown of the kingdom; to support and 
>    		   uphold the laws of the kingdom and the governing documents
>                   of the Society;. 
>		c. (If the member has sworn fealty to the Crown) To 
>                   support and uphold the Crown of his or her kingdom. 
>		d. To enrich the kingdom by sharing his or her knowledge 
> 		   and skills. 
>		e. To advise the Crown on the advancement of candidates 
>                   for the (name of the order).
>
>
>   The specific requirements (adapted from the Corpora) for the order
>would be:
>
>		a. The candidate must have attained the standard of 
>		   excellence in skill equal to that of his or her prospective
>                   peers in some area of the art of war.
>
>	The definition of the art of war would be included in the Corpora as:
>
>		Non tournament martial activities include the following 
>		areas: Target archery, fencing, equestrian activities, 
>		thrown weapons and war combat. War combat includes: combat 
>                missile weapons, siege engines and scouting.
>
>
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