[Ravensfort] unanswered email

[AMH/DBLJ]

Finn,

I suggest you watch your mouth son.  Next time I see you I'll be more than happy to
show you that I am no little worm of a man.  The other things you mentioned maybe.
Besides you seem to be the one that spends his time hidden underground.

Bite me,
Marius


Aedh Finn Mac Cormaic wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Nov 2001 12:01:01 -0600, I read the following on a monolith signed by
> Clarissima:
>
> >This e-mail is considered a personal issue.  I would
> >like to request that the Populace of Raven's Fort not
> >respond to this issue.  The parties involved have been
> >contacted personally by me.
> >
> >I had hoped we would not have to endure this again,
> >but I was mistaken, so here is my response.
>
> Every problem in this barony seems to have come down to a personal issue.  Too
> many people just want the problems to 'go away.'  If you really want the
> problems to go away, then fix them.  Well, actually, "you should have fixed
> them" is much more accurate.  At this point we have a problem or two that we
> can't just get rid of, and no, I'm not referring to people, yet.
>
> I, like Marius, listened to the counsel of others to be quiet and wait.  While I
> did, things got worse.  Everybody thinks things have gotten better, but they
> haven't because Kief is too busy making the barony exactly what he wants it to
> be: a support base for his own political aspirations, and Niklas is so positive
> that what _he_ wants for the barony is the right thing for the barony that he's
> willing to disregard just about everybody else to get it.  Yes, that's
> mudslinging.  Do I have any proof?  Nope.
>
> I tried to talk to Niklas on a few occasions.  When it came down to the wire, he
> refused to answer a simple yes or no question over email.  Do you have a problem
> with me?  That was all I wanted to know.  Until he got the hat, and the
> authority it represents, he wasn't even noble or honorable enough to grant me
> that.  I tried talking to Kief two years ago.  Since I wasn't there to discuss
> what he wanted to discuss, and _told_ him that from the beginning, and since I
> wouldn't agree with him, he made some actions that were incredibly physically
> intimidating.  When a man like him lunges toward you with a look of rage on his
> face shaking a fist, it can be very distressing.  Yes, I tried to talk to him
> about it.  During the last summer, I decided it was time we worked things out.
> He decided it was more important to quickly rebut Marius on the public list than
> to deal with our problems in private.  I have a whole bunch of emails saved if
> anybody cares.  They're not the only ones who are at fault, everybody is,
> including me.  They just happen to be the ones with the most influence and the
> strongest agendas.  I was too blind or stupid to act when I could have actually
> made a difference.  Instead, I backed out, and now, there's nothing I can do,
> partly because I'm 'not involved enough.'  The trust I had in these people is
> gone.  Even when I know something happened, they'll still avoid dealing with it.
> Sure, Kief might have been innocent.  I'll never know because he's _not_
> innocent of preferring to attack Marius in public over dealing with me in
> private.  Sure, Niklas might not have realized he was manipulating things in the
> poll, or that someone else was, but since NO ONE will discuss it openly how the
> heck are we to know?
>
> That's _the_ problem that won't go away.  Unless you're kissing up to someone,
> they need you, or you haven't gotten in their way, yet, they're not going to
> listen to you.  Unless they fear you or you have reached some mythical qualities
> of achievement that they respect, they won't actually hear what you have to say.
> Don't worry, though, if it's a good idea, they'll come up with it later, or let
> someone else do it, and take the credit for it.
>
> So, where's the barony going?  Well, as long as you can successfully get rid of
> anybody who doesn't agree with the 'cult of personality' that is developing
> around certain people regardless of their merit or actions, The barony can go
> wherever _they_ want it to.  If the SCA or Ansteorra will start holding high
> ranking members to the behavior standard required of them and stop letting those
> members punish those of lesser rank because 'they don't act like they should,'
> then maybe the barony can go where the populace wants.  I doubt the latter will
> happen, especially since Kief has such high aspirations for position within the
> SCA.  When did this <expletive> about 'we're based on historical society' come
> from, and why, in the name of any higher power you care to believe in, did we
> ever let it replace 'not as they were, but as they should have been'?
>
> I _know_ something hinkey went on with the populace poll.  For one thing, the
> three minute speech was Niklas' idea.  That's why he had two to three days
> longer than anybody else to work on it.  For another, the results from the poll
> indicate that one pair of candidates got far fewer votes. Good for them, they
> _really_ didn't want it. Bad for the barony, I've talked to enough people who
> are _insistent_ that they voted for them that they would have had an equal
> showing.  Unfortunately, all but about 4 or 5 of the people who voted for them
> weren't members.  If you want to go over to a membership required organization,
> do it.  Stop letting non-members think they have a voice and doing stuff like
> this to them.  Somebody treats me like dirt, it doesn't encourage me to give
> them money.
>
> So, for peace, what options are there? If Marius successfully gets anyone to
> discuss personal issues, I'll personally be floored.  Do I like Marius?  To put
> it bluntly, Hell, no.  He's a self-serving, egotistical, manipulative, little
> worm of a man.  If I can agree with someone I feel that strongly about on
> anything, doesn't it say something about what I'm agreeing with them on?  I've
> tried working my personal issues out.  The people who have problems with me and
> who I have problems with don't care to talk.  Well, fine.  you want your "game?"
> (Warning to those who really care: 'It's only a game.'  Means 'Let me do it my
> way because this isn't the real world where you can stop me.')  Feel free to
> play through.  If I can't help fix the problems, I will cease to be a part of
> them.
>
> May the handful of people who really make up the power of the barony find or
> convince enough people who want the same thing they do to get their goals
> accomplished.  I'd like for somebody to be able to have fun.  If I'm wrong about
> those people, I wish they would have proven me wrong by talking things over with
> me when I tried to talk to them about it.
>
> If you want to respond to me, probably better to do it directly to me.  I don't
> know how much longer I'll be subscribed to this list.  If you just want to call
> me names, don't bother, please.
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