Oooohhhh maybe Gregor would do an A&S day on heraldry :) I have nooooo idea about much of the whole how you do things, would be nice to get it from someone with that knowledge first hand :) Sounds like you are having waaaaaaay tooooo much fun!!! Wish I was there! Cheers! Mirabelis www.kindled-spirits.com www.johnthekiwi.com