[Ravensfort] showers / borderlands security

[byzytym]

No, not a have to do tomorrow hurry.  April is the next event, but we do not 
want to be working on showers in March either.  Improving the old design is 
obviously a desirable thing.  Research is what these emails are all about. 
We've had some very good ideas.  There is certainly time to consider any and 
all options.

We are seriously looking at holding some events at another primitive site 
near Conroe.  It already has electric and water. ( no barrels needed )  That 
means that there is a very strong possibility that we will want to be able 
to transport the showers easily.  "Easily" being the functional word in that 
last sentence.

The weight of the plywood made it impossible for a medium size crew to get 
the showers on a trailer with a ramp.  To me, that gives plywood a big 
minus.

Removable panels are a good idea as long as it takes almost no time to 
remove and install them.  We have to remember that the SCA is a volunteer 
organization and that many of us steal time from our mundane task to do 
things like transporting showers.  When it is necessary for four, five or 
six people to drive from different cities just to move the showers, time 
becomes even more precious.  There is little time for bolting and unbolting 
before the stolen time is used up.  If side panels are to be removed for 
transport it has to be simple and quick.

I am thrilled that so much interest has been generated toward making sure we 
have a useable system.  I look forward to seeing drawn designs.  The Barony 
is growing and it is wonderful that members are working together in this 
reasonable manner.  No doubt, there will be more questions to be answered 
over the next few meetings.  I am sure that we have not heard from everyone 
on the issue yet.

Peace,
Vlod NotVlad

"Trust in Allah, but tie your camel."




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Catie Clark" <cat at rocks4brains.com>
To: "Ravens Fort" <ravensfort at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] showers / borderlands security


> byzytym wrote:
>> I volunteered months ago for security.  I think I am sharing a late shift 
>> with Alaric.  I believe Don Charles and Kitsune are planning to attend as 
>> well.
>>  I don't know about taking the plywood panels on and off.  That sounds 
>> like a shoot me in the foot instead thing.  The shingles sound 
>> interesting.  I wonder how heavy they are.
>
> I too signed-up months ago but was refraining from
> "renewing" that sign-up until I had a good idea what was up
> with all the medical tests. I think it is safe at the
> moment, baring some freak result on the biopsy (which would
> be a surprise right now), to go ahead and renew that
> committment I made a while back to doing security at the
> upcoming event.  I will take any shift - though it might not
> be a bad idea to pair me up with someone who's a native
> Ansteorran since I'm new to these parts and not entirely up
> to speed on local customs.
>
> I could grok plywood or any other kind of panel that came on
> and off.  You put strong-enough bolts or pegs or whatever
> that protrude from the frame.  You cut slider slots to slide
> and then hang the panels. You tighten down with nuts and
> washers and split washers, and cap with acorn nuts to
> protect showering bodies from scratching themselves.  You
> bolt on and then take off the panels every event and store
> them in a dry spot - then it's only the bare frame than gets
> abused by the elements - and that's easy to protect, easier
> than worrying about protecting wind-and-weather exposed wall
> panels. I think it's workable if you have somewhere to store
> panels.  Use smaller panel pieces and some bracing pieces
> that could go on and off and even wimps like me can help
> carry wall pieces to and from storage.
>
> I would think that storage would come with its own set of
> problems, like termites and carpenter bees and mold and
> mildew and...
>
> Do you really need to come to a decision on what to do at
> this upcoming meeting?  I'm thinking some more research work
> on materials and design might not be a bad idea. Just a thought.
>
> I went to Home Despot and looked at roofing sheets, 32 gauge
> corrugated galvenized steel.  The panels come in a variety
> of sizes, the largest being 26" by 8 ft (~$10/sheet). Yes, I
> could easily crumple the stuff in my wimpy fat middle-aged
> out-of-shape hands.  Adding diagonal cross-braces or three
> vertical braces would address the lateral load bearing
> issues, I would think, though I should probably make the old
> brain work and calculate the yield strength for various
> areas (and remember, putting in even one vertical brace will
> half the 40 mpg wind load to 66 lbs - and every reduction in
> unsupported area will also increase the strength).
>
> (<<The wind analysis will not change except in terms of area
> as outlined above.  The yield strength figures _will_ change
> with material and again with the size of unsupported area. I
> would not be surprised if Home Despot or Lowe's or someone
> of their ilk didn't already have those yield strength
> figures somewhere if you just found the right in-house or
> corporate office person to ask. You can do these calcs from
> scratch but it's really a real pain in the butt to do so.
> At one time I could do this sort of thing off the top of my
> head in engineering school and before I went from geotech to
> exploration. I have most of this stuff in the textbooks I
> saved from engineering school, long ago in the mists of
> time, though I will come clean and confess that the bulk of
> my geotech engineering experience was in foundation work and
> road building.  Other stuff requires pulling out the
> reference books and remembering where to find the right way
> to do the calculations - but boy, can I ever design a well
> and piping system! need a pump spec'd? need a dike or
> retaining wall? I'm your gal! need an infiltration gallery?
> no problem! And concrete and rebar and building stone/rip
> rap are really my materials...tornado- hardened
> storm-shelter-worthy reinforced concrete shower stalls,
> anyone? >>)
>
> ttfn
> Therasia von OnReallyHappyDrugs
>
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