[Ravensfort] need info

Sun Oct 11 18:32:02 PDT 2009

HOKEY PETE.  ENOUGH!

On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 8:04 PM, mike dowdy <mdowdy999 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> as i have already said on the list before your e-mail, this was my mistake
> and I had already sent you an apology and a expaination, Once I was informed
> of my error, (and yes I was informed this morning) I took what steps I could
> to rectify it. I as in my e-mail to you said I take full responciblity for
> this. I thought you had forwarded that privite e-mail I did not want this
> information, yours or mine that was privite on the list. I have said to you,
> both publicly and privitly thats a mistake on my part.
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> As I have taken the steps to make things right due to my error.
>
> Michael.
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> Just remember what ol' Jack Burton does when the earth quakes, and the
> poison arrows fall from the sky, and the pillars of Heaven shake. Yeah, Jack
> Burton just looks that big ol' storm right square in the eye and he says,
> "Give me your best shot, pal"   Jack Burton
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> From: byzytym at att.net
> To: silalmhain at yahoo.com; giovanna51 at yahoo.com; mirabelis_ at hotmail.com;
> byzytym at att.net
> CC: mdowdy999 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] need info
> Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:33:05 -0500
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> I did not send this email to the list.
> Hitting reply had nothing to do with it.
> You will notice below that my email is addressed to "mike dowdy" only.
> He could not have set it to the list by just hitting reply.
> He had to have added the Raven's Fort post address to the list of
> recipients.
> He did it on purpose.
> He completely ignored your demand to post nothing more.
> How dishonest and dishonorable.
> I hope we do not lose Alaric or anyone else from the list.
>
> V NV
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: byzytym
> To: Mirabelis ; Giovanna ; Cathal SilAlmhain
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:27 AM
> Subject: Fw: [Ravensfort] need info
> Hey Y'all,
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> I just wanted to let you know that things are happening behind the scenes so
> you can prepare for any public post that Mike might try to make.
> Sorry for all the brew-ha-ha.
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> Peace,
> V NV
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: byzytym
> To: mike dowdy
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] need info
> Our Founding Fathers were protesters.  I guess somehow you forgot that.
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> You have proven how narrow minded you are by being outraged that I am the
> only person that you know that thinks that protest is a service to America.
> You would be surprises at how many people that you know that have told me
> privately that they agree with me, but asked me not to voice it online.
> They don't want me to stir-up people that become unreasonable when
> challenged and who's minds will never be changed.  The fact that you do not
> think you know anyone outside your little bubble that believes the way I do
> probably has to do with the area you live in.  I have been here since I
> was ten so I have lived with east Texas mean for most of my life.  Most of
> the people around here are not interested in other people's ideas or
> freedoms.  It never ceases to amaze me that so many people that clam that
> they stand for freedom do not embrace freedom of speech as one of their
> beliefs.  If you were truly open minded you would not be so dismayed by
> other people's rights.
>
> I protested the war in the 60s and 70s because we were in an illegal war.
> During WWII the Allied forces signed an accord with Ho Chi Min that agreed
> that the West would not colonize Vietnam if it help during the war.  Vietnam
> lived up to it's side of the bargain.  The West did not.  When the French
> grew tired of the battle, the U.S. saw a way to create billions for the rich
> war profiteers selling the weapons.  The same thing happened in Iraq.  Iraq
> had nothing to do with 9/11, yet our leaders saw a way to make lots of money
> for their rich friends and themselves, so in we went. It took resources away
> from the righteous war in Afghanistan and for domestic needs like education
> or the rebuilding of our inner-structure.  It is what caused the recession
> we are in right now.  On top of all that, Bush and Cheney have killed more
> Americans for profit in Iraq than died on 9/11.  When evil leaders lead
> our children into slaughter in illegal wars, heroes take action to stop the
> murder.  It is a righteous thing to do.  Nothing against the military.  It
> is the campaign that is unjust.  Sorry that you do not agree.
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> Joining the military does not make you a hero.  The military has much more
> that it's share of assholes.  McVeigh was military.  Calley was military.
> Hinckley was military.  Service above and beyond makes a hero.  That does
> often include soldiers.  I have always believed that preventing people from
> being killed at your own sacrifice is an act of heroism.  That would include
> actions like the first gulf war when Iraq invaded a neighboring country.
> That would also include protester that are trying to stop illegal wars such
> as Vietnam and the second Iraq war.  It is narrow minded to exclude anyone
> that is trying to save lives, standing up for their beliefs and trying to
> make the world a better place.  There are so many of our freedoms and rights
> that we would not enjoy today had protester not put themselves in dangers
> way to win change.  They are true heroes.
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> Zorc explained to me yesterday afternoon that there is in fact an SCA award
> for people that have served in the military.  I now see the reason that you
> were asking for what you did.  I also find it bizarre that the SCA gives out
> awards for things that happen outside the SCA.  Did this award pre-date the
> 9/11 nationalistic frenzy ?  What dose the military have to do with the SCA
> ??  Could you please explain ?
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> As for a public apology, you will never get it.  I have every right to
> express my views.  The fact that you do not think I do, again, proves that
> you are narrow minded.  You could have let my little response to your post
> past without all of your crying and bitching.  Honestly we have both come
> out of this looking bad.  If you don't think so, you do live in a bubble.
> This country was founded on freedom.  Even if the extreme right wing fascist
> take over I will continue to fight against unjust actions.  I do not think
> that will happen in my lifetime as the extreme right is more and more looked
> upon as the lunatic fringe... except maybe in east Texas.
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> I truly hope that we can get past this conflict and agree to disagree.
>
> Peace,
> V NV
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> From: mike dowdy
> To: byzytym at att.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 1:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [Ravensfort] need info
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> I will clue you in to my... pro-military post. The queen asked for this
> information at 3Q, oddly the crowns are pretty much... as you say pro
> military. There is an award they would like to give out, as have the last
> few crowns called the Sable Shield. There... is oddly not an award for
> protesting......oddly I think you are the only person I have ever met or
> that anyone we both know who we will ever meet that could say with a
> straight face that protesting was a service to the American people.
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> Now, I am going to say this, for you to call me narrow minded... is... at
> best amusing. That was a personal attack and where I come from is the last
> resort of one such as yourself to try and win a debate. You should take a
> good long look at yourself and understand that in any debate or forum a
> personal attack is unacceptable. I did not say.. you were .. ingnorant..
> stuipid.. narrow minded.. or retarded.. or that you should have debates
> with children your own age.
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> When one person can honestly look at another say they are narrow minded
> then is that first person not ignorant or uneducated to the political,
> social, philosophical, and religious background of the second person( is
> that not that what narrow minded'ness is?)? Do you know my political,
> social, philosophical, or relgous background? I am going out on a limb and
> going to say no. So at best you are misspoken and I am owed a public
> appology or... you are ignorant and undedicated to my background or reason
> for my task and am still owed a public apology.
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> Take care with your rhetoric and/or with whom you try to bait.
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> Michael
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> "If at first you dont succeed, excessive force is probably the answer"
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> From: byzytym at att.net
> To: mdowdy999 at hotmail.com; ravensfort at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] need info
> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:12:53 -0500
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> I do not understand what your pro-military post has to do with the SCA in
> the first place.
> You are the one that started us down this road.
> As you and the moderators have stated, this debate ( as well as LD's
> personal insults ) should be taken off post.
> I look forward to our discussion.
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> Peace,
> V NV
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike dowdy
> To: ravensfort
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 9:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] need info
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> Unfortualy you have taken what I asked for and .. went down a road none of
> us should have. I aske for this information to givin to me off list and if
> you any other thoughts or information, then it should have been taken off
> list
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> I look forward to seeing you eye to eye as men and women do and speaking
> of this further.
>
> Michael
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> "If at first you dont succeed, excessive force is probably the answer"
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> From: byzytym at att.net
> To: mdowdy999 at hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] need info
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:36:05 -0500
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> We all have our definitions of hero.
> I guess that mine are not as narrow minded as your.
> Sorry you feel that way.
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> V NV
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> "When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail".
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike dowdy
> To: byzytym at att.net
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [Ravensfort] need info
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> I fought for mine.. and I a great disdane for anyone who would live in the
> country and say what you have said.
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> Many men and women have died so you could live a good life. To protest is
> one thing, to disrespect those that have is another. I did not ask or did
> I want any information about protesting or protesters. I asked for
> information about heros and heros only.
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> Michael
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> "If at first you dont succeed, excessive force is probably the answer"
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> From: byzytym at att.net
> To: mdowdy999 at hotmail.com; ravensfort at ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Ravensfort] need info
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 07:30:45 -0500
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> I protested the war back in the 60s and 70s.
> That is a form of service to this country.
> If you love your freedoms, thank a protester.
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> Peace,
> V NV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike dowdy
> To: ravensfort at ansteorra.org
> Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2009 10:45 PM
> Subject: [Ravensfort] need info
>
> I would like  the information on those that have served in the military in
> the Barony,
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> I know of only myself, the Baron Brian, Baron Keif, and Baron St. David.
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> If you would contact me off lyst with that information, if you want to
> included branch, years of service or.. theaters of action please do so.
>
> Michael
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> "If at first you dont succeed, excessive force is probably the answer"
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